Typical of this administration, 288k new jobs in June

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

funny, but sad, because it's getting to that.

It will happen - and there is a legitimate discussion to be had about technology vs. traditional employment, and that would have happened anyway. But we are losing jobs to other countries without the automation as well, simply where the labor is cheap. A shirt made in Bangladesh isn't being made by robots - it's people sewing them but willing to do so for a lot cheaper than Americans can.

Remember the 1980's when a major news story was the decrease and disappearance of textile jobs in the south? That's a long time ago. There are very few of those jobs left compared to what we had.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

It will happen - and there is a legitimate discussion to be had about technology vs. traditional employment, and that would have happened anyway. But we are losing jobs to other countries without the automation as well, simply where the labor is cheap. A shirt made in Bangladesh isn't being made by robots - it's people sewing them but willing to do so for a lot cheaper than Americans can.

Remember the 1980's when a major news story was the decrease and disappearance of textile jobs in the south? That's a long time ago. There are very few of those jobs left compared to what we had.

Used to be a time when you could educate yourself and move to a white collar job. Not anymore. We are headed towards completely outsourced companies

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Used to be a time when you could educate yourself and move to a white collar job. Not anymore. We are headed towards completely outsourced companies

nope. more people going to college than ever, and nothing to show for it.

i'd recommend anyone looking for a field to get into medical.

it's a shame tho that corporations are just looking at how to make every last dollar, while ruining the ability of their customers to continue to make purchases.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope. more people going to college than ever, and nothing to show for it.

i'd recommend anyone looking for a field to get into medical.

it's a shame tho that corporations are just looking at how to make every last dollar, while ruining the ability of their customers to continue to make purchases.

One would think that both effects you describe are self-correcting market forces. If people are not getting anything to show for college, less of them will go and the price for college will come down. If people can't buy goods, the profits for those companies will decrease, resulting in pressure to lower the price or do something different in their processes of manufacturing...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by joeydb

One would think that both effects you describe are self-correcting market forces. If people are not getting anything to show for college, less of them will go and the price for college will come down. If people can't buy goods, the profits for those companies will decrease, resulting in pressure to lower the price or do something different in their processes of manufacturing...

Or, if the past 6 years are any indication...you know, since this has been going on already.... no crystal ball is required.

They just manufacturer less and cut more jobs. Then hire a whole slew of part time / temp workers to fill in if/when necessary.

So then we can get threads like this one to celebrate how everything is back to normal because "teh jubs r back"

The 1% never gets hurt regardless of how desperate and bleak the economic picture becomes. The quality of life we enjoyed prior to the crash is never coming back - at least not in your or your children's lifetime.

Just simply applaud the amazing job this administration has done "creating" 288K new jobs and smile for 'Merica.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

One would think that both effects you describe are self-correcting market forces. If people are not getting anything to show for college, less of them will go and the price for college will come down. If people can't buy goods, the profits for those companies will decrease, resulting in pressure to lower the price or do something different in their processes of manufacturing...

fat lot of good lower tuition would do all those that already went, and have student loans they can't pay.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Or, if the past 6 years are any indication...you know, since this has been going on already.... no crystal ball is required.

They just manufacturer less and cut more jobs. Then hire a whole slew of part time / temp workers to fill in if/when necessary.

So then we can get threads like this one to celebrate how everything is back to normal because "teh jubs r back"

The 1% never gets hurt regardless of how desperate and bleak the economic picture becomes. The quality of life we enjoyed prior to the crash is never coming back - at least not in your or your children's lifetime.

Just simply applaud the amazing job this administration has done "creating" 288K new jobs and smile for 'Merica.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Hahahahaha

No corporation is doing jack-sh1t in "the best interest of the communities they serve" if it doesn't pad their bottom line. Wake the fuc1< up.

Subsidizing corporations through massive tax breaks is the only way the ones that are still here stay here. And most all of those are national, not international corporations, as international corporations are required to pay taxes on revenues earned outside of the country.

Again, corporate tax rates are huge, relative to the rest of the modernized world, but the massive incentives they receive typically offset those rates.

Case in point - Walgreens being urged to move to Switzerland, by shareholders, to sidestep paying taxes on revenue raised outside US borders:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ate-tax-burden

The great news is, that for all of these corporations fleeing the country, there are no laws in place to keep them from forming PAC's and thus influencing our lawmakers. So they can willfully leave our country, continue to do business within our borders, and pay to play just like they were still here. Only heaping more of the tax burden onto small business and what is left of the middle class.

It's like beating your head into the wall. Another thread replete with 3 pages of Red vs. Blue hur hur hur and not one scintilla of outrage at how you are continuing to get screwed by both of them equally.


Wake up.

You misunderstood me. I was simply asking if there was anything that could be done to stop companies from outsourcing. I wasn't suggesting that companies would stay here due to altruism. I was wondering if there was any way to force them, either through reward, punishment or both, to stop outsourcing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Awesome!!! I'm glad W2NYC is on the case and telling it like it is while the associated press is totally dropping the ball

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/b...n-worker-visas



The sky is not falling Geeker, it already fell and crushed the middle class. Can I ask if you are retired/semi retired and collecting a pension? Most folks in that age group see no problems at all cause they are still getting their pensions... For now that is. As far as "It's all about economics", the economics books have yet to be written on the long range detrimental effects of shipping buying power to the 3rd world.

That is interesting. It shows that we have been bamboozled when they keep telling us that they need to bring in these workers because there is a shortage of skilled workers here. In reality, there doesn't appear to be much of a shortage. They just want cheaper labor.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You misunderstood me. I was simply asking if there was anything that could be done to stop companies from outsourcing. I wasn't suggesting that companies would stay here due to altruism. I was wondering if there was any way to force them, either through reward, punishment or both, to stop outsourcing.

No, I didn't. I was simply answering the rhetorical question you posed, though in an admittedly curt manner. My apologies.

If you'd prefer the thoroughly in depth version (which even you may find eye-opening) of where we are, where we came from to get here, and where we are going, I cannot suggest this enough:

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.p...=9780674430006

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is interesting. It shows that we have been bamboozled when they keep telling us that they need to bring in these workers because there is a shortage of skilled workers here. In reality, there doesn't appear to be much of a shortage. They just want cheaper labor.

Dr. Matloff has been pounding the table on this topic for 20 years. Of course main stream media has ignored him. Could it be because media companies also enjoy using the cheap slave labor.

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dr. Matloff has been pounding the table on this topic for 20 years. Of course main stream media has ignored him. Could it be because media companies also enjoy using the cheap slave labor.

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

it's always about the money. the parties can talk the talk all they want about reform, but their puppet masters don't want reform. they like things just the way they are.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's always about the money. the parties can talk the talk all they want about reform, but their puppet masters don't want reform. they like things just the way they are.

And now the puppet masters don't even have to be US-based in order to continue their influence peddling.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And now the puppet masters don't even have to be US-based in order to continue their influence peddling.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by joeydb

That's actually not quite true. Reagan did cut the income tax rates, but the revenue collected actually tripled by 1989. So there was more money coming in.

Except by 1989 Reagan had raised taxes in other ways, many of which were much more regressive and put more stress on the middle class. The tax cuts didn't increase revenue; he had to broaden the tax base to try to make up some of the lost revenue.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And now the puppet masters don't even have to be US-based in order to continue their influence peddling.

True.

Of course, we are nation built on the backs of slaves, so one could say the people in power are just trying, bit by bit, to take us back to the good old days of a few rich people, a very small middle class and a very large underclass who have no freedom. We'll all owe our souls to the company store.

[Danzig]

i did see yesterday while walking on the treadmill at the gym, that there's great economic news.
there are now only two unemployed people for every available job now, instead of three!

woohooo!



the underemployment also continues.