RacingPost reports 'Dini done after BC...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I meant btw as "by the way".
I'm not backing down from my stand against racism.
If you took what I said in the wrong way, that's why I said you needed to read it again.

No, you agreed with a poster that called me a racist without making a distinction.....that is what you did. By inference you called me a racist.

You really need to think this over because you are completely f'n wrong.

If this truly happens and the horse is sound after the Breeders' Cup Classic, I would be PISSED, and my support (which isn't really support other than the fact that they happen to own my two favorite horses) for Darley would REALLY deminish...

I thought they'd do the right thing because of their finanical position and display some sense of sportingness - and they still might - but there would be NOBODY more disappointed in them if they retire Bernardini after the BC...nobody...

I know that he is probably a $100,000,000 peice of horse flesh and potentially the most expensive horse we've seen in years (way moreso than FuPeg was), but with money not being a huge object to those guys and the fact that he is such an efficient and easy mover and is sound - retiring that horse would be a damn shame....a damn shame...it makes me mad thinking about the possibilty of it

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually I did not, I knew he meant " by the way ", but as he was responding, in agreement, to the one post in this thread by that slime, one where he called me a racist with absolutely no justification whatsoever, and now with typical internet cowardice simply refuses to acknowledge what he did, I felt it was fair to say he was agreeing with him...considering he basically said " I know where you're coming from buddy ".

Just more of the same. No accountability on the internet.

I'm done with this nonsense. I tried to clarify the matter.
You seem to be very insistant.
Go fight it out with Sent 2 Stud.
All I said was that some people have difficulty making a distinction between the horse and the owners.
Have at it!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No, you agreed with a poster that called me a racist without making a distinction.....that is what you did. By inference you called me a racist.

You really need to think this over because you are completely f'n wrong.

I made no such inference.
When you decide to reread what I've stated, I'll accept your apology.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I made no such inference.
When you decide to reread what I've stated, I'll accept your apology.

DTS, I've got no beef with either one of you, but can you explain to me what you meant in your post then? Why would you add the "btw, I hate disguised racism" quote if you weren't saying someone was a racist? Maybe I'm just not reading between the lines today.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I made no such inference.
When you decide to reread what I've stated, I'll accept your apology.

I'm a pretty good natured guy but you'll have to forgive me for assuming that someone who agrees with a poster who calls me a racist, with no caveat that perhaps he was out of line with me, is inferring that he also agrees I am a racist. If you fail to see how I would infer that from what you posted, to the other poster, then it is really you that needs to reread your comments to that piece of filth.

I could make a sick analogy, but would prefer not to as I think you honestly don't understand why I took offense to your post, but I will say that were I to simply agree with a poster here who referred to you as something objectionable I don't think you would be out of line with me if you were pissed at me as well.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

DTS, I've got no beef with either one of you, but can you explain to me what you meant in your post then? Why would you add the "btw, I hate disguised racism" quote if you weren't saying someone was a racist? Maybe I'm just not reading between the lines today.

Cajun,
That's a valid question.
I started at the beginning of this thread when I responded.
It seemed to me that some held a view, right or wrong, against the decision of the Arabian owners to retire their horse, for their as yet unsaid reason.
There seemed to me to be lots of animous against the Shiek and his family.
Perhaps the posters were mouning the loss of the horse, but it seemed to me that there were some unkind words said.
I think some read my posts the wrong way. I didn't accuse Black Throated Wind of being a racist.
I also will miss seeing Bern on the track. Hey, he's not my horse.
If Black TW thinks I have an alliance with S2S...well, he can think what ever he wants to think. I think for myself, and speak the same way.
I didn't accuse him of anything.
So, if you go back and read this thread from the beginning, you might find that there have been a few that criticized the Marktoums for their decision and vented their disapproval in a way that I find offensive.
I hope that answers your question, and wish only peace for everyone.
DTS

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Cajun,
That's a valid question.
I started at the beginning of this thread when I responded.
It seemed to me that some held a view, right or wrong, against the decision of the Arabian owners to retire their horse, for their as yet unsaid reason.
There seemed to me to be lots of animous against the Shiek and his family.
Perhaps the posters were mouning the loss of the horse, but it seemed to me that there were some unkind words said.
I think some read my posts the wrong way. I didn't accuse Black Throated Wind of being a racist.
I also will miss seeing Bern on the track. Hey, he's not my horse.
If Black TW thinks I have an alliance with S2S...well, he can think what ever he wants to think. I think for myself, and speak the same way.
I didn't accuse him of anything.
So, if you go back and read this thread from the beginning, you might find that there have been a few that criticized the Marktoums for their decision and vented their disapproval in a way that I find offensive.
I hope that answers your question, and wish only peace for everyone.
DTS

Fair enough...

I appreciate you being candid with me. I didn't see things the same way, but that's why they say, "opinions are like a$$holes... everyone's got one."

I do think that it sucks that he won't be racing next year (IF in fact, this is true.)

[blackthroatedwind]

The problem is the poster you distinctly responded to had singled me out as a racist ( I am still waiting for him to either back up what he said or apologize...neither of which that foul vermin has done ). Thus, my inference was hardly surprising.

I, too, think that someone who finds what the Sheiks do objectionable, simply because they are Arabs, is racist. But, I wouldn't expess that opinion to someone who called me a racist with no cause, while agreeing with them.

Not really surprised that this horse will be retired after the BC. They are just doing what everyone else is doing. Yeah, they don't need the money, but like someone said, maybe they are looking to breed their own TC winner.
As for this "racism" crap being bantered about here, if any of you that think what was said was racists, you need to visit the Keeneland Sept. sale on the first 4 days of the sale. The terms "F****** Arabs" and "F****** Irish" are quite commonly heard among other buyers and even onlookers. My, my there are many "racists" running around Keeneland.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The problem is the poster you distinctly responded to had singled me out as a racist ( I am still waiting for him to either back up what he said or apologize...neither of which that foul vermin has done ). Thus, my inference was hardly surprising.

I, too, think that someone who finds what the Sheiks do objectionable, simply because they are Arabs, is racist. But, I wouldn't expess that opinion to someone who called me a racist with no cause, while agreeing with them.

Blackthroatedwind,
Honestly, I meant no offense to you.
I appreciate to your insights to racing.
If you have issues with someone, do me a favor, ok?, don't include me in that.
I have no problem with you.
If you took something differently than I intended, well, thanks for letting me explain.
Peace.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here is what the initial piece of human filth said to me



in response to my posting



and then you post directed to the initial filth



But somehow you can't figure out why I have a problem with you?

Once again, I realize that perhaps you didn't mean to call me a racist, but you did, and your insistence that you didn't is preposterous.

The bottom line? Think about what you are posting before doing it if you are not willing to accept the consequences.

All I said was that I "kinda understand".
Clarify for me what "enemies of racing" means if you will.
I never called anyone "filth" for expressing their views.
All I've tried to say in my last three posts is that I really have no ax to grind with you.
If you have a problem with me...well, sad to say, that's YOUR problem.

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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Blackthroatedwind,
Honestly, I meant no offense to you.
I appreciate to your insights to racing.
If you have issues with someone, do me a favor, ok?, don't include me in that.
I have no problem with you.
If you took something differently than I intended, well, thanks for letting me explain.
Peace.

I understand where you're coming from, and while I think you should be careful about agreeing with posters who have just indefensably called another poster something derogatory, I understand that you were not necessarily agreeing with his disgraceful and unfounded accusations directed towards me.

I appreciate your attempts to clarify the situation.

[2MinsToPost]

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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

All I said was that I "kinda understand".
Clarify for me what "enemies of racing" means if you will.
I never called anyone "filth" for expressing their views.
All I've tried to say in my last three posts is that I really have no ax to grind with you.
If you have a problem with me...well, sad to say, that's YOUR problem.

" enemies of racing ", to me, would be people who act against the best interests of racing...which I feel Godolphin does overall. Yeah, they are exceedingly generous towards the breeders , but to the racing fan they continually deny us the pleasure we may get from seeing good horses run, at least in America.

As regards my " filth " references, that coward who called me a racist and thinks he ( or she ) is clever and doesn't apologize, or back up, his ( or her ) unfounded remarks is the very definition of filth.

Another hijacked thread....gotta love it!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

" enemies of racing ", to me, would be people who act against the best interests of racing...which I feel Godolphin does overall. Yeah, they are exceedingly generous towards the breeders , but to the racing fan they continually deny us the pleasure we may get from seeing good horses run, at least in America.

As regards my " filth " references, that coward who called me a racist and thinks he ( or she ) is clever and doesn't apologize, or back up, his ( or her ) unfounded remarks is the very definition of filth.

Well, as far as Godolphin goes, yes...they've made some breeders very rich, and their egos take over at the sales. Just my humble opinion...but I hardly think they are enemies. For sure they'd love to have a Derby winner...that elusive goal they'd pay any price for.
And yes, racing fans aren't high on their agenda.
But think of this for a minute. They've poured many millions into the sport for whatever their reasons.
You know as well as I do that this game takes very deep pockets.
If they have them, own several farms, employ many to help them fulfill their dream...that's ok with me.
I also would love to see their best horses run longer. You might agree with me that the risk of putting one on the track for two minutes where the purse doesn't even come close to what it would bring by breeding is a business decision. I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just attempting to understand what their motivation is.

As far as the second part of your statement...I'm not commenting.
That's between you and someone besides me.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Another hijacked thread....gotta love it!

Cunningham Racing, are you related to Andrea Cunningham or her ex-husband Jim (Fifteen) Cunningham?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, as far as Godolphin goes, yes...they've made some breeders very rich, and their egos take over at the sales. Just my humble opinion...but I hardly think they are enemies. For sure they'd love to have a Derby winner...that elusive goal they'd pay any price for.
And yes, racing fans aren't high on their agenda.
But think of this for a minute. They've poured many millions into the sport for whatever their reasons.
You know as well as I do that this game takes very deep pockets.
If they have them, own several farms, employ many to help them fulfill their dream...that's ok with me.
I also would love to see their best horses run longer. You might agree with me that the risk of putting one on the track for two minutes where the purse doesn't even come close to what it would bring by breeding is a business decision. I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just attempting to understand what their motivation is.

As far as the second part of your statement...I'm not commenting.
That's between you and someone besides me.

It's their money and they can do with it as they choose ( as long as it's legal ) but I don't have to like what they do. I feel like they have a sort of " obligation " to us, the people that support racing and pay the bills, i.e. bettors, to give something back to us...and they don't. The only people they reward are the breeders, and without bettors the game would simply disappear, so their dream of winning the Derby certainly couldn't be realized, because if every better stopped tomorrow the racetracks would be shut down. There is a complete lack of acknowledgement of this by many people and none more so than Godolphin and their " do as we please " style.

Yes, they could run their horses against each other in Dubai, just as rich people could back to racing against each other on there farms, but somehow I am guessing the glory would be gone with no gamblers left to support the game as the world wide prestige and attention would disappear.

Far-fetched? Of course but I'm making a point. My point is there should be a symbiotic relationship with horse owners and racing fans and there simply isn't at least when it comes to Godolphin.

As far as the game taking " deep pockets ", no doubt, but the need for even deeper pockets has been caused very much by Godolphin. And just to be fair, I am no fan of Coolmore either, in fact I have even bigger problems with them which I simply can't get into. But, suffice to say, neither of these stables have made racing better for us racing fans in the grander scheme of things.