on the iran deal

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Wonder what the gop thought of colin powells comments?

The only honest man in the Dumya/Darth Vader regime..am sure the repukes will boil him in oil...how dare he not follow the party line.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ira...d-deal-n422551

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Wonder what the libs that supported this mess think of the Ayatollah's comments?

Iran’s Supreme Leader Says Israel Won’t Exist in 25 Years


>>>TEHRAN — Iran’s supreme leader predicts that Israel will not exist in 25 years, and rules out any new negotiations with the “Satan,” the United States, beyond the recently completed nuclear accord.<<<

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/wo...xist.html?_r=0

The 25 years is no coincidence - that's when the lol *agreement* supposedly expires. And by then if not sooner (by sooner, of course is when they've successfully enriched uranium and can produce their own nukes or acquire them from N. Korea and Russia with the hundreds of billions of dollars in the form of aid from the US and the lifting of sanctions- more like less than 10 years), they'll have the ability to bomb the living fuk out of anyone they choose.

But your president knows this.

Psssssssssssssssst...Israel has nukes...You think they will wait for Iran to build and use one on them before they unload on Iran
And my president know this

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Wonder what the libs that supported this mess think of the Ayatollah's comments?

Iran’s Supreme Leader Says Israel Won’t Exist in 25 Years


>>>TEHRAN — Iran’s supreme leader predicts that Israel will not exist in 25 years, and rules out any new negotiations with the “Satan,” the United States, beyond the recently completed nuclear accord.<<<

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/wo...xist.html?_r=0

The 25 years is no coincidence - that's when the lol *agreement* supposedly expires. And by then if not sooner (by sooner, of course is when they've successfully enriched uranium and can produce their own nukes or acquire them from N. Korea and Russia) with the hundreds of billions of dollars (in the form of aid from the US and the lifting of sanctions- more like less than 10 years), they'll have the ability to bomb the living fuk out of anyone they choose.

But your president knows this.

Probably the same thing the cons think who support it, or all of those in the middle.
and i worry as much about the atlyatollahs ramblings as i do about kim jong un. That is to say, not at all.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Psssssssssssssssst...Israel has nukes...You think they will wait for Iran to build and use one on them before they unload on Iran
And my president know this

So by this response one can only deduce that you're in agreement that your president's toothless *Accord* is meaningless and does nothing except stick 100's of billions into the coffers of a country that is funding ISIS.


Good going, you!

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

So by this response one can only deduce that you're in agreement that your president's toothless *Accord* is meaningless and does nothing except stick 100's of billions into the coffers of a country that is funding ISIS.


Good going, you!

Did you get that intel from Faux news?...Iran is funding ISIS?...Iran is 80% Shiite..ISIS consists largely of Sunnis-you know, Saddam's old crew-and Iran is doing battle with ISIS in Iraq..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

So by this response one can only deduce that you're in agreement that your president's toothless *Accord* is meaningless and does nothing except stick 100's of billions into the coffers of a country that is funding ISIS.


Good going, you!

Iran doesnt fund isis. Christ.

A lot of private donors are from qatar. Isis also sells oil from captured areas, and taxes residents in areas they control.
as for countries who support isis..its qatar, the uae, kuwait and saudi arabia.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Iran doesnt fund isis. Christ.

A lot of private donors are from qatar. Isis also sells oil from captured areas, and taxes residents in areas they control.
as for countries who support isis..its qatar, the uae, kuwait and saudi arabia.

And all of those are our friends

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

And all of those are our friends

Friends? No. A very smart man once warned us about alliances. (Also said to stay the hell out of european politics, and was so right about that. )Because , one may agree with another on something. Or even several things. But no one can find someone who agrees with them on everything.

That's the thing, whose side do we take? Well, it should always be our own of course. But its not always easy to figure out who would be our best local partner.
Syria, for instance.

In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign. Secondly, a just cause. Thirdly, a rightful intention.
Thomas Aquinas

Now,Thomas was right. But there is more needed. You have to be able to win, else why bother? Cause, if you can't win, you end up with Afghanistan, a war we are still in.
So, for Syria...do we have the authority? A just cause? What would our intention be?
And most importantly...who exactly would we assist? Who would we want in charge? What would the results be? If it would go as our last two efforts have gone, then my god, why do a thing? Haven't we mucked things up enough already in that region?
We and our euro allies have done our level best the last hundred years to completely **** up the middle East. lies in ww one, borders drawn arbitrarily with no input from the people actually living there.
It's like when we kept relocating our native population. But, instead of land, gold, etc...now its oil.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Friends? No. A very smart man once warned us about alliances. (Also said to stay the hell out of european politics, and was so right about that. )Because , one may agree with another on something. Or even several things. But no one can find someone who agrees with them on everything.

That's the thing, whose side do we take? Well, it should always be our own of course. But its not always easy to figure out who would be our best local partner.
Syria, for instance.

In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign. Secondly, a just cause. Thirdly, a rightful intention.
Thomas Aquinas

Now,Thomas was right. But there is more needed. You have to be able to win, else why bother? Cause, if you can't win, you end up with Afghanistan, a war we are still in.
So, for Syria...do we have the authority? A just cause? What would our intention be?
And most importantly...who exactly would we assist? Who would we want in charge? What would the results be? If it would go as our last two efforts have gone, then my god, why do a thing? Haven't we mucked things up enough already in that region?
We and our euro allies have done our level best the last hundred years to completely **** up the middle East. lies in ww one, borders drawn arbitrarily with no input from the people actually living there.
It's like when we kept relocating our native population. But, instead of land, gold, etc...now its oil.

You are preaching to the saved..Kuwait is not our friend?..Didn't the first Bush send troops there and drive out Iraq invaders..Desert Storm..too bad his son failed to learn anything from that..

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by bigrun

The only honest man in the Dumya/Darth Vader regime..am sure the repukes will boil him in oil...how dare he not follow the party line.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ira...d-deal-n422551

I just wish he hadn't been so willing to toe the party line back in 2003.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I just wish he hadn't been so willing to toe the party line back in 2003.

Am sure they held a gun to his head to make that speech to the U.N. to "justify" invading Iraq...He sure slipped into the shadows..think i've seen one interview with him...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

You are preaching to the saved..Kuwait is not our friend?..Didn't the first Bush send troops there and drive out Iraq invaders..Desert Storm..too bad his son failed to learn anything from that..

People are your 'friend' when they need you. Kuwait dont need us now.
and yeah, too bad bush two didnt listen to his pop....and now a region in chaos, which is why we didnt go further in gulf one.
better the devil you know then the devil you dont. And saddam was once a friend, we backed him vs iran.
then again, we backed bin laden in afganistan vs russia.
what has choosing got us all these decades in that hellhole? More hellholes.
whackamole on a grand scale.

[bigrun]

6 things you should know about the Iran nuclear deal.


http://www.richmond.com/article_216b...0ac7ced5d.html

[OldDog]

Side effects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNvHAjcHAvs

[OldDog]

More good news!

http://www.bloombergview.com/article...-congress-knew

Meanwhile, the United Nations found last week that an Iranian ballistic missile test in October violated a Security Council resolution.

What is it again that those ballistic missiles are used for...?

[OldDog]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Iran was holding 10 U.S. Navy sailors and their two small Navy boats after the boats had mechanical problems and drifted into Iranian waters, but American officials have received assurances from Tehran that they will be returned safely and promptly.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...01-12-16-04-56

[OldDog]

President Obama expressed disappointment in the mullahs' actions of late, you know, the launching of ballistic missiles and calling for the destruction of Israel, that sort of stuff. He declared in last Friday's presser that they are inconsistent with "the spirit of the agreement," the JCPOA (which Iran never signed).

SHOT
Iran responds:

Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Hassan Firouzabadi blasted US President Barack Obama for his remarks against Tehran’s implementation of the nuclear deal, and said he is raising excessive demands.

“We studied the details of the nuclear agreement and didn’t see anything but its text and don’t have any information about its spirit,” Firouzabadi said, addressing the Chief of Staff’s commanders and officials in Tehran on Tuesday, following the US president’s call on Tehran to work on the spirit of the July nuclear deal.

Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari has said Iran is preparing for all-out war with the US and its allies, and has vowed Iran will continue advancing and testing its ballistic missile program.

Speaking at a gathering of senior IRGC commanders in Tehran Tuesday, Jafari declared that the US “would not be able to do a damned thing” in the face of Iranian advances, according to official Tasnim news agency.

“For years, we have been building power on the presumption of a widespread war with the US and its allies, and have developed all our capacities and capabilities for decisive victories over such enemies,” Jafari said.

The top Iranian general also blasted neighboring Arab states for what he termed as “stupid behavior,” in opting to align with Israel and the United States against Iran.

“Regimes like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and their peers are symbols of modern political underdevelopment, and the IRGC… has made preparations for response to their rudeness and stupid behavior, which stems from (their) reliance on the US power,” he stated.


CHASER
The Reuters article http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa...-idUKKCN0WQ1JF on the recently unsealed indictments of seven Iranians for hack attacks on United States financial institutions and infrastructure buries this gem: “U.S. officials largely completed the investigation more than a year ago, according to two sources familiar with the matter, but held off releasing the indictment so as to not jeopardize the landmark 2015 nuclear deal with Iran or a January prisoner swap.”

Now that’s the spirit.

[richard burch]

very dangerous situation. the long story is, if Iran nukes Israel, they will also be nuked.

The End.

and those north Koreans are crazy too.

[OldDog]

Hooray, cronyism!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...to-tehran.html

[OldDog]

Obama's ransom payment to Iran:

The U.S. and Iran entered into secret negotiations to secure the release of Americans imprisoned in Iran in November 2014. . .The discussions. . .initially focused solely on a formula whereby Iran would swap the Americans detained in Tehran for Iranian nationals held in U.S. jails. . . .

But around Christmas, the discussions dovetailed with. . .the old arms deal. The Iranians were demanding the return of $400 million [and] also wanted billions of dollars as interest accrued since then. . . .

A report by an Iranian news site close to the Revolutionary Guard, the Tasnim agency, said the cash arrived in Tehran’s Mehrabad airport on the same day the [hostages] departed. Revolutionary Guard commanders boasted at the time that the Americans had succumbed to Iranian pressure. “Taking this much money back was in return for the release of the American spies,” said Gen. Mohammad Reza Naghdi, commander of the Guard’s Basij militia, on state media.

Since the cash shipment. . .the Revolutionary Guard has arrested two more Iranian-Americans. Tehran has also detained dual-nationals from France, Canada and the U.K. in recent months. . . .

Friends and family of [one of the hostages] believe the Iranians are seeking to increase their leverage to force another prisoner exchange or cash payment in the final six months of the Obama administration. . .Iranian officials have demanded in recent weeks the U.S. return $2 billion in Iranian funds that were frozen in New York in 2009. The Supreme Court recently ruled that the money should be given to victims of Iranian-sponsored terror attacks.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sent...eed-1470181874

Hooray for smart diplomacy!