Breeders Cup should only be held at - Page 4

#61 10-20-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

toga.......

Toga's kinda cold at the end of October Hooves, and the place is not a heated facility. Be kinda rough.
Belmont and CD are the only way to go. I don't see why it needs to be a traveling carnival act. Both CD and Belmont are big places near airports and quarantine facilities with plenty of hotels nearby. Both have grass and dirt facilities that are fair to Euros, East and West Coast horses.
I really gotta say that CD and Bel should be the only two places that host it.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #62 10-20-2006, 07:38 AM

i know it wont happen..just like the whole layout...is gonna be cold in ky too..and the arlington bc was frigging freezing...so too was belmont last year..gulfstream..or make that un used track in fla that starts with a h a home of the bc..its not cold ,,,

Buffymommy · #63 10-20-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i know it wont happen..just like the whole layout...is gonna be cold in ky too..and the arlington bc was frigging freezing...so too was belmont last year..gulfstream..or make that un used track in fla that starts with a h a home of the bc..its not cold ,,,

The area for Hialeah is bad. I LOVED the track though. I LOVED watching the flaminos fly! It really was a beautiful track. No I didn't like the neighborhood though, but I agree with you hooves. Why shouldn't it be held in a warm climate? It is in the high 80s/low 90s right now.

boswd · #64 10-20-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

toga.......

I agree with having it at least once at Saratoga. The place more so than any other track deserves it. I don't buy into the weather argument. Belmont can get cold, they held it at Woodbine in Canada for god's sakes and in Arlington Park. The place is large enough to accomadate the people. Between Albany and Lake George there are more than enough hotels. I know in the past The NTRA has contacted NYRA about it but NYRA used the excuse of the weather and accomadations, which is pure and utter BS. The only reason they don't is because Belmont and Saratoga share the "guts" and it is a major overhaul to do for just one day.
Now I am not saying having it on a regular rotation but just once, just once have it at the place that was the birthplace of "organized" horse racing in our country. It's the olderst race track still running and the place has played host to some of the most treasured moments in horse racing. It would be such an event and spectacle that every horse fan would want to be a part of. It would have a similiar effect to when the All-Star game was held at Fenway. It is a perfect analogy, The place is tiny but them made it work. And it was great for baseball. If they can pull it off there, they can sacrafice the overhaul from Belmont to Saratoga JUST ONCE!!!!!!

Crown@club · #65 10-20-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

will you please lay off the crack, you need to relax and stop trying to start ****

I just started this thread Scavs. And for once Jerry might have a vaild point.

Crown@club · #66 10-20-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Here's a picture of the winner for you (no need to wait until AFTER.)

Man look at that track. I miss it. (where's the tear drop icon) Actually it looks like it could had use more dirt that day. Kind of looks like a paved highway.

Crown@club · #67 10-20-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Ellis Park!!!!

YES! YES! BRING IT HERE!

#68 10-20-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I guess if having freezing temperatures and sloppy tracks are the only things that are important.

There are rarely freezing temperatures at Churchill or Belmont in early November. Monmouth fits that description, too. I would not vouch for the Windy City track, however.

#69 10-20-2006, 12:47 PM

I like the suggestion of having it every year at a revamped Hialeah
great park, great fall temps

Seattleallstar · #70 10-20-2006, 12:50 PM

wasnt Hialeah the track they used for Let it Ride

Buffymommy · #71 10-20-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

wasnt Hialeah the track they used for Let it Ride

Says it was filmed in Hialeah, Florida, so I am guessing you are correct.

brianwspencer · #72 10-20-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Toga's kinda cold at the end of October Hooves, and the place is not a heated facility. Be kinda rough.
Belmont and CD are the only way to go. I don't see why it needs to be a traveling carnival act. Both CD and Belmont are big places near airports and quarantine facilities with plenty of hotels nearby. Both have grass and dirt facilities that are fair to Euros, East and West Coast horses.
I really gotta say that CD and Bel should be the only two places that host it.

obviously the notion of it only being at two tracks won't ever happen -- but leaving arlington out would be a bad idea. it's arguably the most beautiful, nicest racing facility in the country and the track never plays anything but fair.

#73 10-20-2006, 01:16 PM

Seattle Slew established the seven furlong record at Hialeah in 1977. The record never fell, even though myriad top horses ran there.

Pointg5 · #74 10-20-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

obviously the notion of it only being at two tracks won't ever happen -- but leaving arlington out would be a bad idea. it's arguably the most beautiful, nicest racing facility in the country and the track never plays anything but fair.

Wasn't there a big speed bias the last time it was at AP?

#75 10-20-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

obviously the notion of it only being at two tracks won't ever happen -- but leaving arlington out would be a bad idea. it's arguably the most beautiful, nicest racing facility in the country and the track never plays anything but fair.

I like the fact that the Juvenile was run at nine furlongs at Arlington.

brianwspencer · #76 10-20-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Wasn't there a big speed bias the last time it was at AP?

I don't think that there was a speed bias at all.

Azeri won on the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Vindication won near the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Storm Flag Flying got passed in the stretch and came back.
Volponi came from off the pace when some great horses were on the front end.

It seemed pretty fair, but also if you still say there was a speed bias, I would just point out that any track can appear to have a "bias" on any day. All frontrunners could win on the dirt all day at Belmont some day but we wouldn't say it is an unfair track.

By and large, all summer long, Arlington plays extremely fair throughout the whole meet.

Pointg5 · #77 10-20-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I don't think that there was a speed bias at all.

Azeri won on the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Vindication won near the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Storm Flag Flying got passed in the stretch and came back.
Volponi came from off the pace when some great horses were on the front end.

It seemed pretty fair, but also if you still say there was a speed bias, I would just point out that any track can appear to have a "bias" on any day. All frontrunners could win on the dirt all day at Belmont some day but we wouldn't say it is an unfair track.

By and large, all summer long, Arlington plays extremely fair throughout the whole meet.

Okay, I couldn't remember...

When I think of great places to see races, I think of Belmont or Churchill, I just don't think of AP... I have heard it's nice, but I think those two should be the only ones where the BC's are held every year, the BC's are the best when had at one of those two venues...

Scav · #78 10-20-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

By and large, all summer long, Arlington plays extremely fair throughout the whole meet.

In my experience, when it gets crazy hot here and the track cooks, speed/rail holds tremendously well....When it rains, horses comes from the clouds on the dirt.

As far as the turf, this year I saw an unusual amount of front runners hold on at Arlington, which has widely been known as a closer turf course, especially when soft/yielding

Scav · #79 10-20-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Okay, I couldn't remember...

When I think of great places to see races, I think of Belmont or Churchill, I just don't think of AP... I have heard it's nice, but I think those two should be the only ones where the BC's are held every year, the BC's are the best when had at one of those two venues...

Don't knock it until you see it. It might not have the smell of a huge racetrack, but there isn't a better built, nicer track in the country.....

brianwspencer · #80 10-20-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Okay, I couldn't remember...

When I think of great places to see races, I think of Belmont or Churchill, I just don't think of AP... I have heard it's nice, but I think those two should be the only ones where the BC's are held every year, the BC's are the best when had at one of those two venues...

and i may be clearly biased having spent the better part of my young life in chicago, but when i think of great places to see races I think of Arlington.

While I've never been to Belmont on a big race day, when I did go there on a regular weekend when I was in New York once, I was not that impressed with anything other than the size of the ovals. I suppose to each his own, but I found it dirty and dingy and unimpressive aesthetically.

Most of it probably has to do with the quality of racing in Chicago these days, people don't think of Chicago as a great racing town because there isn't great racing -- but there IS a great racetrack. personal preference i suppose.