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Old 10-23-2006, 05:32 PM
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Ouija Board will not cross enter into the Classic...
well it made for a good day of conversation anyway
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:55 PM
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How did 12 furlongs for Ouija Board become a question? Sure, most of her races this year have been at 10 furlongs, but that doesn't all of a sudden imply that they realized she can't go 12 poles. I think she does both equally well. To me, one of 2005's most impressive performances came from Ouija Board in the Hong Kong Vase - at 12 furlongs.
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/R...2005&RaceNo=03
If the ground is good-to-firm on Cup Day, the 10 furlong preparation will help her in my opinion. I've long looked at 10 furlong European runners in the BC Turf (ie - Kalanisi, Fantastic Light) when the ground is G/F here in the states - or atleast a horse who can run both 10 and 12 panels effectively.

I guess my point is that since 12 furlongs isn't a problem, I'd like to see her in the Turf. I mean, who does she have to fear? Hurricane Run, where it would be a compliment to say he's a "shadow" of his former self? Red Rocks? English Channel and Cacique? I respect them all, but they aren't anything she hasn't seen and beaten before.
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:37 PM
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Am scratching my head concerning putting her in the Classic. Why would they do this in perhaps her last race? I think she would have a real good shot in the Turf and with a victory would earn the right to be called an all-time great mare.
she's taken on the best colts overseas, and has done herself proud. only one run all year against the gals...i say go for it. if she can run against the guys there, why not here?

as for those who worry about the breakdown factor--you're in the wrong sport. any horse from a cheap claimer on up to top horses can have that happen at any time. to bring that up makes no sense to me!

and i feel she has already earned the right to be an all-time great. carried more weight this year than any of our top horses this year, and ran against the boys repeatedly, a 'must have' in most minds.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:46 PM
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I don't see why anyone would enter their horse against bernardini. Any other year take a shot, but this year has a monster. This coming from a huge Ouija Board fan.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:47 PM
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I don't see why anyone would enter their horse against bernardini. Any other year take a shot, but this year has a monster.

because it's not always that easy! there will never be a walkover in a race like this. and for good reason. anything can happen, and many times does.
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:06 PM
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because it's not always that easy! there will never be a walkover in a race like this. and for good reason. anything can happen, and many times does.
Oujia Board (my avatar) would be trounced by Bernardini, just like every other horse that has showed up to run against him.
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:09 PM
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Oujia Board (my avatar) would be trounced by Bernardini, just like every other horse that has showed up to run against him.
And I hope he does...

Because then, all of these posts about him will be validated.
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:21 PM
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because it's not always that easy! there will never be a walkover in a race like this. and for good reason. anything can happen, and many times does.
If you are suggesting by saying anything can happen that Ouija Board has a chance to beat Bernardini on dirt, then I hope you know something that the rest of us do not - like maybe the fact that they're going to let her cut through the infield on the backstretch because that would really be the only way....

She has ZERO chance IMO....horses like Bright One have a better shot than her and they will be 30-1....
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:33 PM
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Not that Ouiji Board is running, but hypothetically she actually has a better chance than known commodities like Bright One and Premium Tap, as both have the wrong running styles and are simply not good enough while at least Ouiji Board is a total wild card. I am not saying I would ever bet her, or even use her in any play, but she is MUCH likelier to win than the known no-shotters.

Bright One isn't actually running....is he?
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Old 10-23-2006, 10:32 PM
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im still stunned that this is even being considered......i dont think ouija hits the board....im saying that with alot of confidece too
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Old 10-23-2006, 10:39 PM
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Not that Ouiji Board is running, but hypothetically she actually has a better chance than known commodities like Bright One and Premium Tap, as both have the wrong running styles and are simply not good enough while at least Ouiji Board is a total wild card. I am not saying I would ever bet her, or even use her in any play, but she is MUCH likelier to win than the known no-shotters.

Bright One isn't actually running....is he?

He may run....they originally wanted to but he ran badly under the lights at Hoosier...Romans said that he is more talented than both Roses in May and Kittens' Joy - so I wouldn't be surprised if he enters because he knows that horse loves CD and it is a home game for him...

Personallly, I thing Bright one is live at a big price to clunk up the TRI and maybe the EX if he fires his best shot....
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Old 10-23-2006, 10:49 PM
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He's not really a clunk up type...that's the problem.

I love the ridiculous overestimations...better than Roses in May and Kittens Joy. Let's see them do it on the track before we hear how great they are. No doubt, he flashed some real potential, but many show potential and few live up to it.
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:04 PM
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He's not really a clunk up type...that's the problem.

I love the ridiculous overestimations...better than Roses in May and Kittens Joy. Let's see them do it on the track before we hear how great they are. No doubt, he flashed some real potential, but many show potential and few live up to it.
After witnessing countless races at Evangeline Downs and Dleta Downs under the lights when I was a younger, I can honestly see why Bright One and Ermine ran poorly at Hoosirew first time under the lights.....Ronnie thinks thats why his filly ran poorly and I heard from good sources that Bright One could not have been doing better and was spectacular looking leaving the paddock...Dale thougt he would air in the race, but he obviopsuly balked....

DALE thinks hes betetr than Roses in May and Kittens Joy amd that is saying alot IMO...noit that those guys are always right - but he is a good enough trainer to take notice of a horse at 30-1....
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:08 PM
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Did I hear Bright One? Love that colt!
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:21 PM
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i dont think bright one is a clunk up type either.......he'll either wire the field or burn himself out and finish towards last.....id opt more for the latter...the is NOT the wv derby field
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:31 PM
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i dont think bright one is a clunk up type either.......he'll either wire the field or burn himself out and finish towards last.....id opt more for the latter...the is NOT the wv derby field
They say he'll rate fine, he just hasn't had to yet....they said they would rate him in the BC
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:45 AM
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They say he'll rate fine, he just hasn't had to yet....they said they would rate him in the BC
I will wait and see him " rate just fine " before concluding he can, as he hardly strikes me as one that will, especially in this spot.

Good horse, so he will probably survive running last in the Classic, but he certainly isn't winning. Then again, at their respective early points in their careers, Bright One was faster than Bernardini.

Didn't Afleet run last in the Classic as a 3YO? He was the best uncrowned champion I may have ever seen.
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Old 10-24-2006, 02:47 AM
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im still stunned that this is even being considered......i dont think ouija hits the board....im saying that with alot of confidece too
With this thread nearing the end of another page, let me reiterate that Ouija Board IS NOT cross-entered in the Classic..
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:00 AM
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With this thread nearing the end of another page, let me reiterate that Ouija Board IS NOT cross-entered in the Classic..
Shouldn't you have something better to do at 3am?
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:10 AM
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Shouldn't you have something better to do at 3am?
I'm like Batman.. Ever vigilant...
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