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Old 10-26-2006, 01:01 PM
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Fa Fa fooooo hi is a fool. He knows nothing, it already been posted they are down and I highly doubt he would pay up.
They are down. Please show me where this has been posted, and not by some internet poster.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:04 PM
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WHO are these corrupt individuals that you claim there is " no denying " exist???

WHO are they? We need to know, since apparently they exist in this absurd internet world, and nobody can actually find them in the flesh.
I dont know the names of the people. Now dont be splitting hairs here, you know as well as I do that there was corruption in NYRA. Not saying it was something to get all ruffled up over--but it was there. I am just curious as to why they are always losing money and are always wanting the State to bail them out.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:08 PM
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I dont know the names of the people. Now dont be splitting hairs here, you know as well as I do that there was corruption in NYRA. Not saying it was something to get all ruffled up over--but it was there. I am just curious as to why they are always losing money and are always wanting the State to bail them out.
Yes, there WAS corruption there, and the individuals responsible are now gone and the situation has been cleaned up to the absolute satisfaction of Eliot Spitzer and Alan Hevesi.

However, you said there is " no denying the corruption inside the NYRA by some people " which implies there continues to be corruption there. If you are going to make these slanders be prepared to back them up. If this isn't what you meant then you should be careful how you word such accusations.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:14 PM
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Yes, there WAS corruption there, and the individuals responsible are now gone and the situation has been cleaned up to the absolute satisfaction of Eliot Spitzer and Alan Hevesi.

However, you said there is " no denying the corruption inside the NYRA by some people " which implies there continues to be corruption there. If you are going to make these slanders be prepared to back them up. If this isn't what you meant then you should be careful how you word such accusations.
Well perhaps you shouldnt be so sensitive while reading posts. I dont think I ever said that "currently there is corruption" or "right now, there are corrupt people"......I just said corruption, which exsisted so therefor my statement was accurate.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:23 PM
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Well perhaps you shouldnt be so sensitive while reading posts. I dont think I ever said that "currently there is corruption" or "right now, there are corrupt people"......I just said corruption, which exsisted so therefor my statement was accurate.
Whether or not I am being sensitive doesn't change a certain responsibility in making comments. Your comments would suggest that you believe that corruption currently exists at NYRA and that this was basically obvious. These are two beliefs that I do not agree with and feel strongly should only be made if one can specifically back them up. Frankly, I expect idiocy from that other poster here, as she probably has trouble with Velcro, but you do know better. You have every right to not like NYRA, or any organization you so choose, but by the same token you have a certain responsibility in your claims, especially those kinds, and vagueness is not a reasonable defense.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:30 PM
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Whether or not I am being sensitive doesn't change a certain responsibility in making comments. Your comments would suggest that you believe that corruption currently exists at NYRA and that this was basically obvious. These are two beliefs that I do not agree with and feel strongly should only be made if one can specifically back them up. Frankly, I expect idiocy from that other poster here, as she probably has trouble with Velcro, but you do know better. You have every right to not like NYRA, or any organization you so choose, but by the same token you have a certain responsibility in your claims, especially those kinds, and vagueness is not a reasonable defense.
I like the NYRA and I feel that my post no way implied that there was still on-going corruption inside the NYRA. I also believe that statements made should be able to be backup as well. I have been on both sides of the fence. But, in my opionin, no way did my statement imply or infer that there is ongoing corruption inside the NYRA. Again, I like the NYRA and I think they do a good job. I just think there is a better group out there that can do an even better job.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:31 PM
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They are down. Please show me where this has been posted, and not by some internet poster.
I get my facts the same place you do. I make them up in my head.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:32 PM
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I like the NYRA and I feel that my post no way implied that there was still on-going corruption inside the NYRA. I also believe that statements made should be able to be backup as well. I have been on both sides of the fence. But, in my opionin, no way did my statement imply or infer that there is ongoing corruption inside the NYRA. Again, I like the NYRA and I think they do a good job. I just think there is a better group out there that can do an even better job.

There may always be a better group. However, who are they in this case?
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:36 PM
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There may always be a better group. However, who are they in this case?
I wish I knew the answer to that question. I should of said this...I like the NYRA, but I think they need a better business model. I don't think a non-profit should be losing money like they are. A better business model is basically what they need.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:42 PM
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I don't have the answer, or really anything close to it, but I would guess that at least some of NYRA's problems stem from mismanagement in the past. However, I have a lot of confidence in those in charge now, and less than none in at least one of the current supposed " bidders ". I know little to nothing about Excelsior, on the other hand, but as of now there is no information available on what, if any, plans these groups have for running racing in NY.

Truthfully, the main thing the current management at NYRA have going against them is the name NYRA, as they differ substantially, if not completely, from the leadership of the past.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:42 PM
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Check your PMs. In or out?
What are you going against here foo hi. Up 8-10% from what when where lets get a little more specific
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:45 PM
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I should take this bet but I want the handle to be up so I dont want to jinx anything. Keenelands handle has been declining over the past 12 years. Some years are up and some are down, but it has been on the decline for quite some time. So far, from what I have heard, it is about even from last year. However, Keeneland did benefit by the BC being in Nov this year. Gave trainers and owners 1 more week of rest. It is interesting to see the dauly handle chart for Keeneland. Most meets make their money at the middle or end. Keeneland makes theirs in the first week and then it is down from there. But I have a feeling it will be up this meet---they were hoping for 15% but that is not going to happen. I am guess 1% or maybe 2.4%.
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:57 PM
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Wow 19million dollars how much of that is going to come out of your pocket 1-2million. Whoa id be upset to! I bet your one of those people that think just because teachers get paid with taxpayers money that you are directly their boss.

Boy do I hate those people.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:00 PM
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I suppose NYRA has cleaned up its act. It seems that way to me from all I have read in the past year. My problem with them at this point is personal. I have been writing them and emailing them for several years about something that bothers me. They do not even respond. I want them to tell me why they have no graded stakes race named for Seattle Slew. The horse sure did enough for them.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:12 PM
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So Fa fa flo fly what do you want to bet 50 on? That they are up 6.7% or higher? Ill take 50 on that!
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:31 PM
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OK. $50. Deal.

No "confidence bonus" unless you let me know otherwise. Chicken? lol
So what happens when you dont pay me?
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:31 PM
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Yes, there WAS corruption there, and the individuals responsible are now gone and the situation has been cleaned up to the absolute satisfaction of Eliot Spitzer and Alan Hevesi.

However, you said there is " no denying the corruption inside the NYRA by some people " which implies there continues to be corruption there. If you are going to make these slanders be prepared to back them up. If this isn't what you meant then you should be careful how you word such accusations.
Great, according to Alan Hevesi, a real trustworthy guy.

So NYRA is either corrupt or incompetent. Doesn't matter to me. They lose money year after year due to incompetence or corruption. Pick your poison.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:34 PM
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Wow 19million dollars how much of that is going to come out of your pocket 1-2million. Whoa id be upset to! I bet your one of those people that think just because teachers get paid with taxpayers money that you are directly their boss.
Actually I am one of those people that instead of wasting $19M on NYRA maybe we could use that money to improve education and pay teachers more.

Or does the money we use to improve education grow on trees? lol
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:34 PM
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Great, according to Alan Hevesi, a real trustworthy guy.

So NYRA is either corrupt or incompetent. Doesn't matter to me. They lose money year after year due to incompetence or corruption. Pick your poison.
So when Alan Hevesi says they are corrupt he is trustworthy but when he says they have cleaned up their act he is not?

You really need a diaper change.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:35 PM
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So when Alan Hevesi says they are corrupt he is trustworthy but when he says they have cleaned up their act he is not?

You really need a diaper change.
Stick to Eliot Spitzer. I think Hevesi is sharing the free car rides with the executives at NYRA.
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