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Old 01-18-2007, 06:01 PM
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i think you know my point , i understand easily what your point is its just that i look at what you call solo artists and see and give respect to the rest of the band and and and dont let myself disregard them when i refer to them . just how we view it i guess thats all. some one could come up to me and say what band do you like and i would reply lita ford and i'm thinking of the whole group forget about her name , saying as lita ford the the band not i just like lita ford the singer by herself

If it's a matter of respecting the band, then I get your point. I guess that because I automatically respect the band, that I don't see it that way. But I get what they do and get what they're all about, as opposed to some who may not get the importance of and the crucial role that a band plays not only in artist performance, but artist development. I would never mean to demean those contributions.

So basically we're talking about the same thing -- you're just being more diplomatic to ensure that band members don't get the shaft
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:03 PM
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If it's a matter of respecting the band, then I get your point. I guess that because I automatically respect the band, that I don't see it that way. But I get what they do and get what they're all about, as opposed to some who may not get the importance of and the crucial role that a band plays not only in artist performance, but artist development. I would never mean to demean those contributions.

So basically we're talking about the same thing -- you're just being more diplomatic to ensure that band members don't get the shaft
exactly
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:03 PM
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so what is MSG? lol

i don't get it. you mean like the unnecessary starchy Chinese food ingredient?
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:05 PM
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i don't get it. you mean like the unnecessary starchy Chinese food ingredient?
lol no the mcauley schenker group
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:12 PM
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lol no the mcauley schenker group
i got hungry for a second there.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:23 PM
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i got hungry for a second there.
now was he thinking of himself being the axe grinder he is and being a brother of one of the biggest bands in metal or was he saying yeah i'm the main driving force but i realize that we are still a band and i want us to be known that way. like you said some fans have total disregard for the rest of the band. and he and you and i see it differently then your average fan . i used to play also and have many friends in bands and i see the contributions we all make even tho when they hit the stage with a band name alot of fans latch to the lead singer anyways, he always gets the attention and comes to mind first for most fans
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:26 PM
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i got hungry for a second there.
when i think of david lee roth in his band under his own name i surely see steve vai as his equal if not more. when i think david lee roth i think steve vai-guitar god. i dont think steve would say i play for david lee roth i think he would say i play in david lee roth
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:32 PM
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now was he thinking of himself being the axe grinder he is and being a brother of one of the biggest bands in metal or was he saying yeah i'm the main driving force but i realize that we are still a band and i want us to be known that way. like you said some fans have total disregard for the rest of the band. and he and you and i see it differently then your average fan . i used to play also and have many friends in bands and i see the contributions we all make even tho when they hit the stage with a band name alot of fans latch to the lead singer anyways, he always gets the attention and comes to mind first for most fans
I think it takes a certain kind of person to do that, because there are tons of egos and tons of feelings to deal with.

When I had a band, I would be the first to tell you that all but one of them was more musically talented than me, but they had no desire to front anything. They wanted to play music, they didn't want to be the face of the music. That was okay with me. If we had stuck around together, I'd have had no problem calling us a band and taking a name -- but the fact remained that I was the one spending all the money and i was the one doing all the legwork in promotion and booking and travel arrangements etc, so in that sense, for me, it was never about ego -- but about the realities of who was doing what, and who wanted what.

i think for a lot of bands it's a big combination of those two -- who WANTS to be the face of it and who is comfortable in doing it, along with who is putting in what amount of work on the whole thing.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:52 PM
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Bachman-Turner Overdrive?

Tom Petty and the Heart Breakers?
Bruced SPringsteringer and the E-street band?

Annie Lennox is in the band The Eurythmics? She is/was the Eurythmics.
ELO replacable parts, Jeff Lynne was the band

I guess the problem I have is that some artists are the band, the other parts easily replaced and others are not.

Pure Band...
Rush
ZZ Top
Steely Dan (Donald Fagan needs his guitarists or its not the same)
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:58 PM
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Bachman-Turner Overdrive?

Tom Petty and the Heart Breakers?
Bruced SPringsteringer and the E-street band?

Annie Lennox is in the band The Eurythmics? She is/was the Eurythmics.
ELO replacable parts, Jeff Lynne was the band

I guess the problem I have is that some artists are the band, the other parts easily replaced and others are not.

Pure Band...
Rush
ZZ Top
Steely Dan (Donald Fagan needs his guitarists or its not the same)
Petty is an artist, and the Heart Breakers are his band. When it's a name AND the band then it's a little tougher to discern as they are more of a band, but Tom Petty is still a solo artist in that sense. Same with Bruce. There is no Alanis Morissette and the Screaming Banshees....that would pose the same quandry. Luckily, we've been spared and she's just a solo artist.

The Eurythmics are a band, whether Annie was irreplaceable or not, a band is a band is a band. Look what happened to 10,000 maniacs when Natalie Merchant left. She MADE the band. But they were still a band, and they replaced her and the 10,000 Maniacs still existed as a band....they just sucked without her.

It's all in the name really.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:21 PM
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Petty is an artist, and the Heart Breakers are his band. When it's a name AND the band then it's a little tougher to discern as they are more of a band, but Tom Petty is still a solo artist in that sense. Same with Bruce. There is no Alanis Morissette and the Screaming Banshees....that would pose the same quandry. Luckily, we've been spared and she's just a solo artist.

The Eurythmics are a band, whether Annie was irreplaceable or not, a band is a band is a band. Look what happened to 10,000 maniacs when Natalie Merchant left. She MADE the band. But they were still a band, and they replaced her and the 10,000 Maniacs still existed as a band....they just sucked without her.

It's all in the name really.

So its a mess. I know you guys that are really into music could make my confusion even foggier.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:40 PM
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So its a mess. I know you guys that are really into music could make my confusion even foggier.
Creating general confusion, pissing people off, and making asanine and uncalled for comments seems to be my niche on the board

It's not as confusing as you're making it though -- you've really got it, you're just overthinking it.
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:07 PM
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It really is all in a name-

If it's just one person's name, even if that one person has a backing band, it's still considered a solo artist. That's what y'all (except for Brian) don't seem to get. I'm just saying don't let this topic stray from what it is.

My favorite BAND/GROUP in the whole wide world, actually leads to some of the biggest confusion out there. My favorite group is Jamiroquai. And everybody juist thinks it's a "him", not a group. When they're really a group. It's just because everyone see's the just the guy who sings with the crazy hats, or this guy-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIvc4NH4jOE
and not usually the other emembers of the band. But they are a band.


BTW, Greazy Meal. They're allright. They got a niche in the TC area, but they've been around so long I don't think they'll ever bust out nationally.
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