Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year? - Page 40

blackthroatedwind · #**781** 10-25-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

Forever Together has previously run races with surperior figures than any races WAW has ever run. The second half of stretch drive she ran today overcame all previous imperfections earlier in the race. She was a very deserving winner today. The only surprise IMO was the reawakening of past Candian Horse of the year Seally Hill for second who looked very solid getting past WAW for second.

Sealy Hill got the trip of a lifetime.....and Wait a While has run some devastatingly good races in the past ( especially her 3YO year ). But, she's not as good as Forever Together now. I'm not so sure Forever Together would be superior to the Wait a While of 2006 on a firm turf course.

Oaklawnfan · #**782** 10-25-2008, 06:16 AM

"We are not worthy, we are not worthy."

Round Pen · #**783** 10-25-2008, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sealy Hill got the trip of a lifetime.....and Wait a While has run some devastatingly good races in the past ( especially her 3YO year ). But, she's not as good as Forever Together now. I'm not so sure Forever Together would be superior to the Wait a While of 2006 on a firm turf course.

yes indeed BTW and she ran a race of a lifetime the bad part about this is I knew before her last start in the EP Taylor there was a serious Equipment Change on her the type thats not listed in the Program. they changed the Blinkers from 1/4 cup to full cup and she wore a harness racing Bit. it was the first race she had run were she went Straight(always lugged in before).

mik9872 · #**784** 10-25-2008, 07:23 AM

The whole telecast on ESPN ispointed to the audience the Breeder' Cup thinks will suddenly embrace horseracing. Even the casual "horseplayer" is left out. Handicapping, that is, the game of examining and weighting various factors is ignored. The concept that people bet on horses is ignored. Where do they think the purses come from?

TheSpyder · #**785** 10-25-2008, 07:35 AM

Better than last year when I needed an air sickness bag because of all the camera angle changes but still abysmal. First you see all the horses but can't tell a thing, then you see the top 4-5 and have no idea where your horse is, and then you see a Google image from space and see most of Arcadia.

Who thinks these things up? I want a job like that where I can do that bad.

Spyder

fpsoxfan · #**786** 10-25-2008, 07:50 AM

Bailey, looking at the same angle we looked at, even declared Heart Shaped the winner of the Juvy Filly Turf.

TheSpyder · #**787** 10-25-2008, 07:57 AM

I know and I had her....once they showed the slow mo though, I knew she got beat.

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Bailey, looking at the same angle we looked at, even declared Heart Shaped the winner of the Juvy Filly Turf.

fpsoxfan · #**788** 10-25-2008, 08:01 AM

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I know and I had her....once they showed the slow mo though, I knew she got beat.

Soooo Close. That's a tough one. The jockey of that horse, Murtagh, has seven mounts today.

CSC · #**789** 10-25-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Yes and no. Draw a line through the Glens Falls, no prob, 3 turns, small field with the lone speed as mentioned, but besides that she got ran down while clear in the Diana and got beat by Mauralakana facing a similar situation in the New York. Of course she can hit the board, it's the BC and unless it's Rick's Natural Star it's impossible to truly toss anyone with confidence but I think there's 5-6 in here I'd use over her and at 6-1 that's not a gamble I like.

If Folk Opera doesn't go, Halfway to Heaven does coming out of a mile race she led througout in on the straight.

You were right Phil, Dynaforce ran poorly yesterday. The only consolation for me was she was 14/1 overlay.

Hwjb · #**790** 10-25-2008, 08:14 AM

Visit ran well before patently failing for stamina.

I thought the second and third in the 'Ladies Classic' are classified as Euros (for all they've never been to the continent in their lives!).

CSC · #**791** 10-25-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

Forever Together has previously run races with surperior figures than any races WAW has ever run. The second half of stretch drive she ran today overcame all previous imperfections earlier in the race. She was a very deserving winner today. The only surprise IMO was the reawakening of past Candian Horse of the year Seally Hill for second who looked very solid getting past WAW for second.

Agreed Sealy Hill ran a knocked up race, we discussed prior to the race that almost anyone in the field with the exception of Pure Clan could win this race. Saying that she was a big surprise.

blackthroatedwind · #**792** 10-25-2008, 08:48 AM

Pure Clan, much like the winner, ran to her pps.

I wonder how she would have done in the QE II.

sdjcom · #**793** 10-25-2008, 08:56 AM

I should have said I favor horses who have ran in cal and done well, also I might eat crow on euros today. I find them hard to handicap so I don't like them and haven't seen them run. I apologize if I ruffled some feathers, I was wrong and should have kept my trap shut on Euros I know nothing about.

fpsoxfan · #**794** 10-25-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Pure Clan, much like the winner, ran to her pps.

I wonder how she would have done in the QE II.

Andy, How's the weather shaping up today down there? Any chance of things staying on the turf?

blackthroatedwind · #**795** 10-25-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Andy, How's the weather shaping up today down there? Any chance of things staying on the turf?

We haven't had rain in nearly a month and it is closing weekend.

I expect we will be on the turf....plus it really hasn't rained yet.

Thunder Gulch · #**796** 10-25-2008, 09:17 AM

I had WAW on some P3 tickets, but come on guys, the winner was just better.

ddthetide · #**797** 10-25-2008, 09:33 AM

i'm a wait awhile fan and she was second best today. no question. forever together ran a nice race, it was her day.

Cannon Shell · #**798** 10-25-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am sure you know how sarcastic I was being

I'm sorry, due to the inane postings from some around here lately i am never quite sure anymore. I mean a guy who actually has half a clue thinks wait a while ran a far better race that Forever together...

CSC · #**799** 10-25-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

i'm a wait awhile fan and she was second best today. no question. forever together ran a nice race, it was her day.

I'm sorry but Sealy Hill was second best yesterday, yes she had a great trip but she was second last heading into the stretch to only narrowly miss. She closed into slow fractions, I don't know what Jerry Bailey was watching but his analysis that there was a honest pace was an error in my mind. If anything Wait A While's stalking trip was more beneficial to Forever Together and Sealy Hill's runs. Though Wait A While is still a very nice horse, I don't think she is as dominant as she was in her 3 yr old season, It's not like Pletcher's are running a hole in the wind this yr.

the_fat_man · #**800** 10-25-2008, 10:49 AM

So we have a race where the winner, the 2nd horse, and the 4th horse were, respectively, 7th, 8th, and 9th, in a 10 horse field, with the 10th horse badly outrun, YET, the consensus is that the only horse that ran early and finished with them GOT A BETTER SETUP.

The winner got the best setup of the top 4, as she RAN LAST. In other words, AFTER WaW had made her wide bid on the turn, AFTER Visit, who was behind FT to the turn, made that sharp move INTO the fastest fractions, and AFTER SH, who was also behind the winner, made her run.

As for Sealy Hill, I used her last out in exactas with Callwood Dancer, as they both had ridiculous trips in the Canadian S. She wasn't a mystery, she just happened to make the 2nd to last run in a race that fell apart. In fact, if she had a clear run, like the winner, she's probably a lot closer.