Baffert Fined

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

What do they add? You obviously don't have any idea about the origin of horseracing. The horse represents the owner in the race. It is the owners right to accompany the horse in the paddock and be seen with his horse. Many owners are knowledgeable and like to see the condition of their horse prior to the race.

It has always been very enlightening to me to be in there and I would be very upset if anyone in my partnership were denied entrance.

Don;t confuse him with facts Tbred!!!!! The guy is obviously trying to defend CD at any cost and knock down a guy who does constant interviews and accomodating of people. Funny, if baffert was known for stunts like this you'd think we would have heard of some by now. Belmont day he sure didnt seem to have a problem now did he? And to think that he shouldnt receive some recognition for actually winning the race 3 times is preposterous. he wasnt asking to break any laws, he was just saying hey these guys are with me, and if I'm in a postion to make teh call, I have to ask myself just how dangerous it could be to let two guys in who are in the personal escort of a guy who has won the race and is well known. My call is gonna be that they arent a threat whatsoever, they wouldnt be in the company of someone like that if they were.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Don;t confuse him with facts Tbred!!!!! The guy is obviously trying to defend CD at any cost and knock down a guy who does constant interviews and accomodating of people. Funny, if baffert was known for stunts like this you'd think we would have heard of some by now. Belmont day he sure didnt seem to have a problem now did he? And to think that he shouldnt receive some recognition for actually winning the race 3 times is preposterous. he wasnt asking to break any laws, he was just saying hey these guys are with me, and if I'm in a postion to make teh call, I have to ask myself just how dangerous it could be to let two guys in who are in the personal escort of a guy who has won the race and is well known. My call is gonna be that they arent a threat whatsoever, they wouldnt be in the company of someone like that if they were.

I am not defending Churchill--again I have said that I dont agree, but I defending the rule (regardless how stupid it is). And again, the security guard prob is not in the position to make the call.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well you are definitely in the minority and have no idea how this game should be promoted. The more interaction that people have, the more who become interested in owners, which we severely need in this game. Have you ever read any interviews with owners? Do you know how many have described getting involved because they went to the track with another owner and loved the thrill of the paddock and the winners circle?
No way Euro, you are way off base on that one. Its a sporting event and properly behaved adults will not be "running around". I've been to the paddock at least 100 times in my life, mayeb more, and never ONCE have I seen a single person act improperly or spoken to by security. Never ONCE!!! I'd like to hear from people here as well. Has anyone ever seen misbehavior by a person in the paddock? Because I have never witnessed it and have always observed people just smiling, looking at the horses, and taking in all the sights. Do you honestly feel that these people pose a threat to anyone? You are trying to spin this way beyond reality and what it is. Owners have always brought guests to the paddock and its part of the pageantry and excitement of the game. You think when people tune in to big races that an empty paddock is a real turn on? Wow.

Well said Mike!
I am an owner (not at that level yet)...but anytime I've been in the paddock before a race, I'm thinking about so many other things besides "law enforcement".
Actually, the paddock is usually a prety quiet place. The horse knows he's about to run. Everything about it is to be calm. If it gets loud or crazy, the horse will just get agitated. Horses are very sensitive to stress.
Just imagine...coming out of a quiet stall, walking over, more and more yelling people, a few curcuits in the paddock, and then the stall for saddling...
Horses really DO see and hear everything that's going on around them.
It comes from being a "prey" species.
So, anything that can be done to keep them calm so they can run their best is important.
The last thing they need is an arrogant rent-a-cop yelling at people and being far more important than the situation at hand.
DTS

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well you are definitely in the minority and have no idea how this game should be promoted. The more interaction that people have, the more who become interested in owners, which we severely need in this game. Have you ever read any interviews with owners? Do you know how many have described getting involved because they went to the track with another owner and loved the thrill of the paddock and the winners circle?
No way Euro, you are way off base on that one. Its a sporting event and properly behaved adults will not be "running around". I've been to the paddock at least 100 times in my life, mayeb more, and never ONCE have I seen a single person act improperly or spoken to by security. Never ONCE!!! I'd like to hear from people here as well. Has anyone ever seen misbehavior by a person in the paddock? Because I have never witnessed it and have always observed people just smiling, looking at the horses, and taking in all the sights. Do you honestly feel that these people pose a threat to anyone? You are trying to spin this way beyond reality and what it is. Owners have always brought guests to the paddock and its part of the pageantry and excitement of the game. You think when people tune in to big races that an empty paddock is a real turn on? Wow.

I have never seen anyone misbehaved in the paddock. But I just dont think the paddock needs to be filled with people. JMO.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have never seen anyone misbehaved in the paddock. But I just dont think the paddock needs to be filled with people. JMO.

Appreciate the honesty.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I am not defending Churchill--again I have said that I dont agree, but I defending the rule (regardless how stupid it is). And again, the security guard prob is not in the position to make the call.

I never said the guard was wrong. CD was wrong. That includes the guard, all other employees in the paddock, and the entire management staff. CD as a whole.

Euro - Can you honestly tell me there was not a single CD employee in the paddock that day that couldn't recognize BOB BAFFERT?

If you want to defend ridiculous stupidity. Then continue.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

I never said the guard was wrong. CD was wrong. That includes the guard, all other employees in the paddock, and the entire management staff. CD as a whole.

Euro - Can you honestly tell me there was not a single CD employee in the paddock that day that couldn't recognize BOB BAFFERT?

If you want to defend ridiculous stupidity. Then continue.

lol. He was just talking about how great it was that they recognized Magnier and even though they recognized him they wouldn't let him in until he walked back and got his credentials. I found that sickening. If I were Magnier I would have bought the place just to fire the SOB who did that and then sold it the next day. Its not like he doesnt have the cash to do it!!!

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

I never said the guard was wrong. CD was wrong. That includes the guard, all other employees in the paddock, and the entire management staff. CD as a whole.

Euro - Can you honestly tell me there was not a single CD employee in the paddock that day that couldn't recognize BOB BAFFERT?

If you want to defend ridiculous stupidity. Then continue.

I doesnt matter if the guard knew who he was or not. The guard did his job. He followed the rule that CDSI installed. Now I dont agree with the rule at all. But the guard did his job and Baffert acted like a kid. It is that simple.

Originally Posted by oracle80

lol. He was just talking about how great it was that they recognized Magnier and even though they recognized him they wouldn't let him in until he walked back and got his credentials. I found that sickening. If I were Magnier I would have bought the place just to fire the SOB who did that and then sold it the next day. Its not like he doesnt have the cash to do it!!!

I dont think I ever said how "GREAT" it was. I just told a story. I think it is laughable because it was on a non-racing day. Again, I dont agree with the policy but understand the person following the policy.

[sumitas]

a little side note. i believe up until a few years ago there was never a fence around the paddock at Saratoga. fans could wander around anywhere in the paddock while the horses were being saddled. it got too crowded so they put up a fence.

a couple of years ago i was standing by the paddock fence and a fellow said he was the owner of a horse about to run in a steeplechase. him and his family were not allowed in the paddock because they were all wearing shorts. not allowed...his horse won the race.

Originally Posted by sumitas

a little side note. i believe up until a few years ago there was never a fence around the paddock at Saratoga. fans could wander around anywhere in the paddock while the horses were being saddled. it got too crowded so they put up a fence.

a couple of years ago i was standing by the paddock fence and a fellow said he was the owner of a horse about to run in a steeplechase. him and his family were not allowed in the paddock because they were all wearing shorts. not allowed...his horse won the race.

What a New York track not letting someone in the paddock because they were wearing shorts? Now is this anyway to treat the owners of the horse?

[sumitas]

They have their dress codes in Saratoga for the paddock and clubhouse.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by sumitas

a little side note. i believe up until a few years ago there was never a fence around the paddock at Saratoga. fans could wander around anywhere in the paddock while the horses were being saddled. it got too crowded so they put up a fence.

a couple of years ago i was standing by the paddock fence and a fellow said he was the owner of a horse about to run in a steeplechase. him and his family were not allowed in the paddock because they were all wearing shorts. not allowed...his horse won the race.

Sumitas,
You know as well as I do that Saratoga is an entirely different planet...that's why it's so great. Sure, that paddock "fence" keeps you about ten feet away from the horses, and on the walking path, you're about, what, five feet away?
I know I was close enough to Point Given on his walk over to touch him if I wanted to.
Churchill sounds like a much more different situation, especially on a "big day".
DTS

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What a New York track not letting someone in the paddock because they were wearing shorts? Now is this anyway to treat the owners of the horse?

The dress codes at Saratoga are well known and enforced. Gentlemen are to wear jackets in the box area and abbreviated wear is not allowed in the paddock. That goes for everyone and its well known.

[PeteMugg]

That's it. Next year I'm going to the Derby and I'm gonna wear an "I'm With Bob" button.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

That's it. Next year I'm going to the Derby and I'm gonna wear an "I'm With Bob" button.

"I'm with Bob"...LOL!!!
Post of the week!

Originally Posted by oracle80

The dress codes at Saratoga are well known and enforced. Gentlemen are to wear jackets in the box area and abbreviated wear is not allowed in the paddock. That goes for everyone and its well known.

Oh ok--I guess the credential pass is not a well known rule at Churchill. Again, Baffert is no stranger to Churchill he knew the rule and it was enforced. Just like the dress code rule at Saratoga.

You get pretty close to the horses at Churchill when they walk to the paddock. You are about 1 foot from the horse. The paddock then gets avergage size but you are about 15 feet from the horses.

I wil Bob button--classic

[Danzig]

well, i read the article, and then just the first few posts, and it looks like i will be in the minority here.

security guards are there for a reason, and are there to do their job. you really expect every minimum wage paid guard out there knows every trainer by sight? (or every driver in nascar, since it was mentioned) you have to have credentials, get them. don't have them, don't pull your 'i'm so special, you're nothing' crap. that's ridiculous. it's one of my pet peeves, people who think rules apply to everyone else, but not themselves, because they're 'special'.

"don't you know who i am?"

sounds like maybe you're an *******!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The dress codes at Saratoga are well known and enforced. Gentlemen are to wear jackets in the box area and abbreviated wear is not allowed in the paddock. That goes for everyone and its well known.

i'd imagine that it's also well known that you have to have certain credentials to get into cd, with or without baffert.

[Danzig]

this also reminds me of the story about the congresswoman who never wore her pin identifying her to the guards. when a guard tried to stop her, she want ballistic. she was completely in the wrong, as is baffert in this case--or as anyone is in any case when they try to throw their weight around even tho they know they are in the wrong.


don't you know who i am?!?! like that should matter. EVER.