Rasheed Wallace

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon any NBA contract is out of line, I think the front office has done a great job gettng guys who complient Lebron

Me, you, ppdgn, Morty and Byk could complement Lebron. They have put together an unworkable team that is somehow working. They have 2 important, underpaid guys with expiring contracts (varejo and pavovic) and are going to pay Hughes and Snow a combined $24 mill next year. The salary cap implications are not good.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Do you think the Wilkins coached Cavs beat this Cavs team

those guys are pretty old now

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Flip, the second worst coach in the NBA.

he may be in the Doc Rivers, Isiah category

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You mean that money spent on the Damon Jones signing wasn't well spent!!! C'mon, quit spoiling this Cavs love fest!!

I cant believe how bad that guy is!!!

[Mortimer]

Mr.Shill...I mean Shell.



You do have the cap problem correct. Fine work.


But really........shame on you for the rest.

[The Bid]

I must just be watching a different game. Watching the Cavs come out flat in the third with three coach called plays to hughes was enough for me. Watching them get sloppy the last minute of the second quarter could have cost them the game. Having Snow on the floor taking the two biggest freethrows in the last 20 years in Cleveland is a joke. Boobie played great, if he wouldnt have put up 20+ they would have lost AGAIN. That would have been four times they out played Detroit and LOST. That cant fall on anyone but Brown. I mean Lebron carries them, he does it all, you have a superstar who wants to win. The guy doesnt care about the money, or the accolades, he just wants to be a champion. Thats the reason the series is tied.

Gotta run to Northfield Park, be back later

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I must just be watching a different game. Watching the Cavs come out flat in the third with three coach called plays to hughes was enough for me. Watching them get sloppy the last minute of the second quarter could have cost them the game. Having Snow on the floor taking the two biggest freethrows in the last 20 years in Cleveland is a joke. Boobie played great, if he wouldnt have put up 20+ they would have lost AGAIN. That would have been four times they out played Detroit and LOST. That cant fall on anyone but Brown. I mean Lebron carries them, he does it all, you have a superstar who wants to win. The guy doesnt care about the money, or the accolades, he just wants to be a champion. Thats the reason the series is tied.

Gotta run to Northfield Park, be back later

I believe that he was trying to get all he could from Hughes while he could. Snow made the FT he needed to make. He was on the floor for defensive purposes. You have to give Brown some credit for completely shutting Detroits 1/2 court offense down.
I understand that you are not used to being in this position but enjoy it a little. You can be bitter again when LeBron is a Knick.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I cant believe how bad that guy is!!!

With regard to Jones, he did not step onto the floor the Washington series or the first 5 games of the NJ series. In game 6 they played him with Marshall, and Gibson after they scored like 6 points in the 3rd quarter with James in foul trouble and they had a big 4th quarter with jones on the floor to blow the game out. Even though it was Marshall and Gibson and James that hit all the 3s that quarter, he did enough to get him back into the rotation for the Detroit series. The last 20 games of the regular season, and the first 9 playoff games, Jones pretty much did not step on the floor.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

With regard to Jones, he did not step onto the floor the Washington series or the first 5 games of the NJ series. In game 6 they played him with Marshall, and Gibson after they scored like 6 points in the 3rd quarter with James in foul trouble and they had a big 4th quarter with jones on the floor to blow the game out. Even though it was Marshall and Gibson and James that hit all the 3s that quarter, he did enough to get him back into the rotation for the Detroit series. The last 20 games of the regular season, and the first 9 playoff games, Jones pretty much did not step on the floor.

He didn't play for good reason....he is totally useless.

Ok then I have been reading this whole thread (skipping most of Morton's cause I cant read one post on the same screen). And out of all of this we the most astounding thing I have learned is we have 2 Cleveland fans.

God bless you poor guys. How much suffering can one sports town take? Football... dreadful last minute drives, fumbles next to the goal line and so many bad teams. Art Modell up and leaves and wins a Super Bowl.

Baseball... bad for so long, then some success and then bad. Dont watch them now but holy carbuncles so much pain.

Basketball... a history of pitiful to mediocre teams. Enter Lebron.

I'm serious if you can be a Cleveland sports fan without killing yourself you are true warriors. You cannot be defeated for you have never known victory. That sounds all out of sorts but honestly I feel bad for you guys. The true definition of profound suffering.

[Mortimer]

And one catatonic.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah no doubt. I've never liked the guy by default because he's a Tar Heel.

hehe sorry Kev.

Its ok PP...he is one of my least favorite for sure.

damn crybaby....

[Mortimer]

If I may....what amazes me is we have many people telling us post after post what a pathetic team Cleveland is ( not counting THE CHOSEN ONE...of course) and ,to a lesser degree, Detroit....yet they are 2 of only 4 teams left playing this stupid game.






I think it's them.

I really do.

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

If I may....what amazes me is we have many people telling us post after post what a pathetic team Cleveland is ( not counting THE CHOSEN ONE...of course) and ,to a lesser degree, Detroit....yet they are 2 of only 4 teams left playing this stupid game.


I think it's them.

I really do.

They are not pathetic. They are playing really bad basketball. Thats what I am seeing. The NBA is certainly not happy. The level of play is not Suns/Spurs.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

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SportyFans...you decide if he said it or not:







Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.
Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better!!!


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I would say he did say it.





What about you?

a very unfair comparison....Bird was 23 in his rookie year. The Celtics finished that 79-80 season 61-21, which was first in the Atlantic Division. The PREVIOUS season before Bird's rookie season....29-53 and 5th in the Atlantic Division.

Don't bring age into this...Bird a much greater impact on his team his rookie year than Lebron did.

Originally Posted by GPK

a very unfair comparison....Bird was 23 in his rookie year. The Celtics finished that 79-80 season 61-21, which was first in the Atlantic Division. The PREVIOUS season before Bird's rookie season....29-53 and 5th in the Atlantic Division.

Don't bring age into this...Bird a much greater impact on his team his rookie year than Lebron did.

That was the 2nd biggest turnaround in NBA basketball.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That was the 2nd biggest turnaround in NBA basketball.

Pat, I didn't even MENTION the fact they won the NBA championship in Birds 2ND season....


Don't get me wrong...I like Lebron...seems like a great young man. But people just can't compare him and Bird at this stage of their respective careers....it just isn't fair to Lebron.

Originally Posted by GPK

Pat, I didn't even MENTION the fact they won the NBA championship in Birds 2ND season....


Don't get me wrong...I like Lebron...seems like a great young man. But people just can't compare him and Bird at this stage of their respective careers....it just isn't fair to Lebron.

Bird had already played against the best in college. He was very seasoned. Lebron is but a wee 6' 8" 240 lb. manchild. Making babies a bit early imo.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Bird had already played against the best in college. He was very seasoned. Lebron is but a wee 6' 8" 240 lb. manchild. Making babies a bit early imo.

I agree.

I just find it funny that "hourseofcourse" bragged about Lebron having the Cavs at over .500 after two years with the team. Yet Bird had the Celtics winning the whole damn NBA championship in his 2nd year.


No comparison....

[Mortimer]

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