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07-20-2006, 01:36 PM
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Why can't people be respectful and not refer to everyone who does not support the Israeli attack as a worthy-to-die Arab or lacking capacity? When Bold Bumbler and Dixie and others toss out their "credentials" it's just away for them to boost their self-esteem or whatever. Different people see the world different ways. I'm not an Israeli zealot as some, yet I'd never say I hope their people die as Dixie and Bold Bumbler wish upon the innocent Arab people. 
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#82
07-20-2006, 01:42 PM
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This today.... http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0720-04.htm
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#83
07-20-2006, 02:01 PM
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Your knowledge of history seems to be limited ... so I'll provide a list of places where the United States defeated tyranny and brought about freedom and democracy. • We defeated the murderous, genocidal National Socialists ... and helped Germany and Austria become free democracies. In doing so ... we liberated the peoples of France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, and Norway from the brutal National Socialist regime. • We defeated the murderous Socialist Workers Movement ... and helped Italy to become a free democracy. • We defeated the murderous, genocidal Shinto Imperialists ... and helped Japan become a free democracy. In doing so ... we liberated China, Korea, The Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia from their brutal rule. • We defeated mass-murdering Soviet Communism ... and in doing so liberated Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from its brutal rule ... and also liberated Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Hungary ... most of which are now free democracies. • We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Nicarague, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Cambodia, and The Phillipines ... all of which are now free democracies. • We supported democratic movements in South Africa, Haiti, and Rhodesia ... all of which became free democracies ... though the latter two have slid backwards since. • We defeated the murderous, totalitarian Baathist rule in Iraq ... and helped establish a free democracy. • We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Angola ... which so far have been unsuccessful in establishing free democracies. • At no point have we used our military superiority to conquer and subjugate anyone. All of the above was achieved in less than 65 years ... a virtual blink of an eye in historic terms. I'd say it adds up to quite a splendid set of achievements in promoting freedom and democaracy. Are you aware of any other country ... now or at any time in the past ... which has done more to promote and establish freedom? If so ... please provide the details.
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#84
07-20-2006, 02:18 PM
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[quote=Bold Brooklynite]Unfortunately for you ... everyone else knows that when you resort to name-calling and personal attacks ... you're admitting that you've lost the argument.
Your knowledge of history seems to be limited ... so I'll provide a list of places where the United States defeated tyranny and brought about freedom and democracy. We defeated the murderous, genocidal National Socialists ... and helped Germany and Austria become free democracies. In doing so ... we liberated the peoples of France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, and Norway from the brutal National Socialist regime. We defeated the murderous Socialist Workers Movement ... and helped Italy to become a free democracy. We defeated the murderous, genocidal Shinto Imperialists ... and helped Japan become a free democracy. In doing so ... we liberated China, Korea, The Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia from their brutal rule. We defeated mass-murdering Soviet Communism ... and in doing so liberated Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from its brutal rule ... and also liberated Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Hungary ... most of which are now free democracies. We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Nicarague, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Cambodia, and The Phillipines ... all of which are now free democracies. We supported democratic movements in South Africa, Haiti, and Rhodesia ... all of which became free democracies ... though the latter two have slid backwards since. We defeated the murderous, totalitarian Baathist rule in Iraq ... and helped establish a free democracy. We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Angola ... which so far have been unsuccessful in establishing free democracies. At no point have we used our military superiority to conquer and subjugate anyone. boy's got some wicked cut-n-paste skiils, that I'll give him.
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#85
07-20-2006, 02:31 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out the "free democracy" in Iraq. My guess is that the site he pasted from doesn't include "civil war" in their double-speak. Also, notice no mention of Cambodia. Thank you Tricky D ick.
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#86
07-20-2006, 03:01 PM
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__________________
"Always be yourself...unless you suck!"
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#87
07-20-2006, 03:16 PM
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I was responding to the "democracies" that were set up by the USA. Pol Pot was only one that was needlessly created. The list would indeed be very long if I went back to Dulles and the United Fruit Company in Central America, not including Panama more recently. In Africa, BB is correct. Again the failures are cited. In the Asia, wow! Marcos and Aquino anyone? How about Indonesia? The CIA's overthrow of Allende in Chile, (South America). Holy cow! Is there a question as to why the USA is held suspect by so many on this planet? The credibility gets thinner and thinner despite the right-wing propagandist's claims. Spin, spin, spin...just like the planet. Only difference is one is based on physical reality, the other is based on an artificial one.
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#88
07-20-2006, 03:41 PM
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I'm sure you noticed that Cambodia clearly appears in my fifth bullet point ... but someone who is filled with hate and rage is much less likely to see what's there. And isn't it interesting ... that I mentioned 44 countries whose freedom has been greatly enhanced by the United States ... and that poster can only resort to spouting falsehoods about two of them ... while completely ignoring the other 42? And thanks for your service ... it's a shame we weren't able to rescue the Cambodian people the way we rescued billions of others. But happily ... Cambodia has made major strides toward freedom since the murderous communists were ousted ... and is now considered to be "Mostly Free" in the latest Wall Street Journal evaluation. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-20-2006 at 03:45 PM.
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07-20-2006, 03:51 PM
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#90
07-20-2006, 04:06 PM
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Yes, the "balance of the universe" and the "fight against evil".
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#91
07-20-2006, 04:09 PM
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The US created the instability in Cambodia. You really do need to read your history books. As for the Phillipines, the US installed Marcos and supported him for close to 30 years. That was the most corrupt and tyrranical eras in phillipino history. Where do you get your info?
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#92
07-20-2006, 04:12 PM
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It seems you've chosen to skip over it ... and not respond to it. That's fine ... it implies that you're in agreement with its contents ... and I applaud your judgment.
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#93
07-20-2006, 04:17 PM
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The strategies we used were obviously successful ... because the objective was achieved ... today The Phillipines is a free, democratic country. The same applies to all the other countries I listed ... many different strategies were employed ... and nearly all of them achieved their objectives. And by the way ... I noticed your phraseology ... "what have YOU ever rescued?" Does that mean that you don't consider yourself to be one of US? Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-20-2006 at 04:19 PM.
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#94
07-20-2006, 04:21 PM
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Do I have to list off all of the countries that ended up being ponds in the US global chess match? And why didnt you answer me on cambodia or the phillipines...or iran or iraq for that matter? Didnt we install Marcos, diem, the shah AND saddam? Didnt we? Thought so.
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07-20-2006, 04:24 PM
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No i meant personally rescued. Are or were you military or red cross or any of that?
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07-20-2006, 04:41 PM
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#98
07-20-2006, 04:45 PM
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The U.S. helped it become free and democratic... their backsliding is their own doing. Any other nitpicks?
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#99
07-20-2006, 04:49 PM
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Since I'm on his "ignore"...and that's just dandy with me, read up a few posts to the one where he states, "I am confused'. For what it's worth, "One who argues with a fool, only demonstrates that he is also one." Good luck, Dala!
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#100
07-20-2006, 04:49 PM
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You've undoubtedly noticed semi-literates on this forum calling other people morons and idiots. How ridiculous is that?
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