Top 25 3yo's 1987-2007 - Page 5

miraja2 · #81 02-26-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If nothing else, anyone that includes Lost in the Fog and NOT Housebuster, needs, at the very least, a course in recent racing history. Housebuster ran numberous races, as a 3YO, that dwarfed anything Lost in the Fog ever did.

I was a little shocked to see that I was the only one to include Housebuster in the top 25.

blackthroatedwind · #82 02-26-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I was a little shocked to see that I was the only one to include Housebuster in the top 25.

I would say many of these people know nothing about him. I just looked a couple of his races up.....he got a 113 Beyer fig when he won the King's Bishop ( Lost in the Fog.....105 ) and lost a photo to Criminal Type in the Met Mile, beating Easy Goer, and got a 117 Beyer.

Danzig · #83 02-26-2008, 01:21 PM

housebuster was amazing.....

isn't it funny tho how some horses are remembered for things they didn't do (such as anyone listing awesome again for his 3 yo career) and then others who accomplished some tremendous things get no press at all?

#84 02-26-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If nothing else, anyone that includes Lost in the Fog and NOT Housebuster, needs, at the very least, a course in recent racing history. Housebuster ran numberous races, as a 3YO, that dwarfed anything Lost in the Fog ever did.

They should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQzeEFPRR2E

King Glorious · #85 02-26-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Curlin
Street Sense
Barbaro
Barnardini
Afleet Alex
Lost in the Fog
Smarty Jones
Point Given
Tiznow
Xtra Heat
Silver Charm
Skip Away
Thunder Gulch
Holy Bull
AP Indy
Hansel
Go For Wand
Unbridled
Easy Goer
Sunday Silence
Forty Niner
Risen Star
Bet Twice
Alysheba
Java Gold

Reverse chronological. didn't look at rest of thread so probably forgot about some. remembered these.

I must say that I'm very surprised to see Xtra Heat make any list. Personally, I don't even know if I'd rank her as one of the top three 3yo filly sprinters of the period. If you like Xtra Heat, what did you think about Very Subtle or Safely Kept? Very Subtle is one underrated filly. She won the BC (beating Groovy) and also went back east and won the Test and won the Fantasy Stakes (via DQ) in Arkansas. Both of those fillies won the premiere 3yo filly sprint race.

#86 02-26-2008, 01:27 PM

I could be mistaken but didn't Don Brumfield ride Housebuster in his earlier races?

The Bid · #87 02-26-2008, 01:28 PM

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

blackthroatedwind · #88 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

They should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQzeEFPRR2E

He only got a 118 Beyer fig that day. Citidancer was undefeated going into the Jerome I believe.

But, Lost in the Fog was a better horse. Give me a break.

NoLuvForPletch · #89 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

They should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQzeEFPRR2E

Unforunately, he's most widely known for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6M8ijJgCI

I myself was just out of college and the prior 4 years are/were/and forever will be blurred at best. I don't remember much at all about the horses from '87-'91, but unfortunately, I, like most people, do remember this vividly.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #90 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

Wow, someone actually agrees with me on something! It's a miracle!

#91 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

It's unfortunate he won the majority of his races on the NoCal circuit. He'll always be knocked for that.

Indian Charlie · #92 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

housebuster was amazing.....

isn't it funny tho how some horses are remembered for things they didn't do (such as anyone listing awesome again for his 3 yo career) and then others who accomplished some tremendous things get no press at all?

i find it amazing that some people can only judge ability by looking at a resume only.

anyone with half an eye could see awesome again was a top colt.

#93 02-26-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Unforunately, he's most widely known for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6M8ijJgCI

I myself was just out of college and the prior 4 years are/were/and forever will be blurred at best. I don't remember much at all about the horses from '87-'91, but unfortunately, I, like most people, do remember this vividly.

For being injured?

blackthroatedwind · #94 02-26-2008, 01:36 PM

I'll assume it was his BC as a 4YO.....and not watch. I still remember poor Jimmy Croll being interviewed leading the horse back after the race. He was such a wonderful horse that it was especially sad for things to end that way for him.

I'm actually glad I brought him up, as probably no horse in recent history properly exposes Lost in the Fog more fairly than Housebuster. While Lost in the Fog was a very nice horse, and story, and he certainly ran decently on a very consistent basis, he was nowhere close to the talent that Housebuster was....or what people with no perspective think he was. His tragic end does not change what he was on the racetrack.

NoLuvForPletch · #95 02-26-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

For being injured?

What I am saying is that more people are aware of HOUSEBUSTER because of what happened in the '91 Sprint. Only the most knowledgeable are aware of his actual accomplishments.

King Glorious · #96 02-26-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would say many of these people know nothing about him. I just looked a couple of his races up.....he got a 113 Beyer fig when he won the King's Bishop ( Lost in the Fog.....105 ) and lost a photo to Criminal Type in the Met Mile, beating Easy Goer, and got a 117 Beyer.

Those were two very good races. I don't think it's fair to say that Housebuster ran several races as a 3yo that DWARFED anything Fog ever did. You point out the 113 and 117 figures. Fog did earn a 116 and a 114. That's right there with Housebuster. I also give Fog extra credit for the ambitious traveling schedule he was on. I've heard you talk about the effects of constantly shipping and Fog criss-crossed the country 13 times that year and still nearly held up to the end. I'd also like to see what kind of weight assignments Housebuster had in those races and how much he was giving to his competition.

#97 02-26-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

What I am saying is that more people are aware of HOUSEBUSTER because of what happened in the '91 Sprint. Only the most knowledgeable are aware of his actual accomplishments.

Well those people need new glasses if they couldn't see the reason why he finished badly.

King Glorious · #98 02-26-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's unfortunate he won the majority of his races on the NoCal circuit. He'll always be knocked for that.

This is simply not true at all. Fog won 11 career races:

Northern CA-3
Arizona-1
South FL-3
Kentucky-1
NY-3

King Glorious · #99 02-26-2008, 01:44 PM

Want to think of an underrated sprinter, think of Reraise.

NoLuvForPletch · #**100** 02-26-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well those people need new glasses if they couldn't see the reason why he finished badly.

Pants you are very defensive regarding HOUSEBUSTER. I'm not knocking the horse at all. I was supporting Andy's point actually. He was an incredible talent.

At 3: Jerome H. -G1, Withers S. -G2, Sheridan S. -G3, Hutcheson S. -G3, Lafayette S. -G3, Derby Trial S. -G3, King's Bishop S. -G3, Spectacular Bid S., Swale S. -G3; 2nd Metropolitan H. -G1