Wiphan

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm not sure if he blew a lead in the bottom of the 9th inning of game 7 of the World Series but for one team only.

This is true...

[pdrift1]

Happy In Wi !!!! Go Crew !!!!!!!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

Happy In Wi !!!! Go Crew !!!!!!!

Are you making it down for any of the games? I am going Sunday (if there is a game 4 assuming the Crew doesn't sweep it in 3). It is going to get crazy down here tomorrow and thru the weekend!

[SniperSB23]

Looks like Lidge signed a 3 year extension at $12 million a year this season as well. So basically it becomes K-Rod or bust for the Mets. And it slightly increases the chance of someone paying to let Fuentes close. I wonder if the agents for Lidge and Nathan wish they hadn't signed those extensions now. At the time with Wagner healthy it made no sense to let their clients on the market to play second fiddle to K-Rod. Now with the Mets in the bidding war things have changed substantially.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Looks like Lidge signed a 3 year extension at $12 million a year this season as well. So basically it becomes K-Rod or bust for the Mets. And it slightly increases the chance of someone paying to let Fuentes close. I wonder if the agents for Lidge and Nathan wish they hadn't signed those extensions now. At the time with Wagner healthy it made no sense to let their clients on the market to play second fiddle to K-Rod. Now with the Mets in the bidding war things have changed substantially.

It might not be the war that you think. Big spenders like the Yanks, Bosox already have closers. Who else is going/can afford to give him that type of money? The Dodgers, Tigers or if they flounder in the playoffs the Rays (I know a longshot, but it kind of makes sense with the young pitching on that team to have a guy like that to close). You have to think that it is going to come down to the Mets & Halo's.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Looks like Lidge signed a 3 year extension at $12 million a year this season as well. So basically it becomes K-Rod or bust for the Mets. And it slightly increases the chance of someone paying to let Fuentes close. I wonder if the agents for Lidge and Nathan wish they hadn't signed those extensions now. At the time with Wagner healthy it made no sense to let their clients on the market to play second fiddle to K-Rod. Now with the Mets in the bidding war things have changed substantially.

There is a ceiling for what a closer can make and Nathan would not have played 2nd fiddle to anyone. He would have been more sought after than Krod. The saves record is nice but it is a record of opportunity as much as anything. Since the Angels didnt score a lot of runs there were an extraordinary number of save chances. He did well with him opportunities but Nathan is every bit as good as him, maybe better.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It might not be the war that you think. Big spenders like the Yanks, Bosox already have closers. Who else is going/can afford to give him that type of money? The Dodgers, Tigers or if they flounder in the playoffs the Rays (I know a longshot, but it kind of makes sense with the young pitching on that team to have a guy like that to close). You have to think that it is going to come down to the Mets & Halo's.

Cleveland? Milwaukee?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is a ceiling for what a closer can make and Nathan would not have played 2nd fiddle to anyone. He would have been more sought after than Krod. The saves record is nice but it is a record of opportunity as much as anything. Since the Angels didnt score a lot of runs there were an extraordinary number of save chances. He did well with him opportunities but Nathan is every bit as good as him, maybe better.

K-Rod was sought after long before this season, which was arguably his worst. Nathan was born in 1974, K-Rod was born in 1982 and already has more career saves than Nathan. That gives K-Rod significantly more value in the open market.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

K-Rod was sought after long before this season, which was arguably his worst. Nathan was born in 1974, K-Rod was born in 1982 and already has more career saves than Nathan. That gives K-Rod significantly more value in the open market.

No the fact that Nathan is healthy and everyone thinks Krod's arm is going to fall off makes Nathan the better play. Krod isnt going to get a deal any better than the other 2 guys unless the Mets overpay him.

[Crown@club]

Francisco Rodriguez has eight saves of less than three outs. For comparison's sake, the pitchers ranked second and third in the AL in saves (Joakim Soria and Jonathan Papelbon) have combined for three all year. Brad Lidge, the NL's best reliever this season, has none.

K-Rod had his highest whip yet. (1.29) Up to just above average, but it keeps rising. But hey he still has an 1.000 K%.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No the fact that Nathan is healthy and everyone thinks Krod's arm is going to fall off makes Nathan the better play. Krod isnt going to get a deal any better than the other 2 guys unless the Mets overpay him.

If the Mets don't overpay him it will be because the Angels do. An arbiter put his value at $10 million this year. I can't ever recall a player that had an arbitrated value close to that high and didn't get significantly more when entering the market (without being injured). I would think $14 to $15 million a year. The only way you'll see $12 million a year is if someone goes to 7 years and throws on a healthy buyout on an option for an 8th year. My prediction is 5 years - $70 million but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get more.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If the Mets don't overpay him it will be because the Angels do. An arbiter put his value at $10 million this year. I can't ever recall a player that had an arbitrated value close to that high and didn't get significantly more when entering the market (without being injured). I would think $14 to $15 million a year. The only way you'll see $12 million a year is if someone goes to 7 years and throws on a healthy buyout on an option for an 8th year. My prediction is 5 years - $70 million but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get more.

Never happen. No closer is going to get more than a three or 4 year deal. I dont think he will get more than $12 a year either. There are too many deals at that level and he isnt better than the other guys. I just dont think the demand is there for him at crazy numbers.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cleveland? Milwaukee?

I just don't think Clevleland will step up to pay him what he wants. I could be wrong but isn't Jake Westbrook the highest payed Indian at about 10 mil per year. Hafner is 2nd at 8 mil. I just can't see them opening up the pocketbook for K-rod. Especially with guys like Sizemore and Lee who eventually want to get paid.

As far as the Brewers go, I just feel they are going to be busy enough replacing CC and Sheets to put their main focus on a reliever. Didn't Torres do an admirable job anyway?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just don't think Clevleland will step up to pay him what he wants. I could be wrong but isn't Jake Westbrook the highest payed Indian at about 10 mil per year. Hafner is 2nd at 8 mil. I just can't see them opening up the pocketbook for K-rod. Especially with guys like Sizemore and Lee who eventually want to get paid.

As far as the Brewers go, I just feel they are going to be busy enough replacing CC and Sheets to put their main focus on a reliever. Didn't Torres do an admirable job anyway?

Yeah I doubt they will be in the running but I was trying to think of contenders who need a closer.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Never happen. No closer is going to get more than a three or 4 year deal. I dont think he will get more than $12 a year either. There are too many deals at that level and he isnt better than the other guys. I just dont think the demand is there for him at crazy numbers.

BJ Ryan got 5 years $47 million and that was back in 2005. K-Rod will get his $70 million.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

BJ Ryan got 5 years $47 million and that was back in 2005. K-Rod will get his $70 million.

And him blowing his arm out is why no one gives closers long term contracts. Omar Minaya does strange things with Latin players but if he does something that dumb it is close to Isiah time for him.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And him blowing his arm out is why no one gives closers long term contracts. Omar Minaya does strange things with Latin players but if he does something that dumb it is close to Isiah time for him.

Most similar pitcher to K-Rod through 25

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olsongr01.shtml

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Most similar pitcher to K-Rod through 25

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olsongr01.shtml

At least his daughters are famous

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And him blowing his arm out is why no one gives closers long term contracts. Omar Minaya does strange things with Latin players but if he does something that dumb it is close to Isiah time for him.

I don't think Minaya is very good, but that being said no one is in the Isiah category (Glenn Sather for the Rangers is getting close, maybe it is a msg thing. But that is for another thread another time).

But I really believe that Minaya is going to overpay and give him extra years on the deal to get K-Rod. The bullpen is the single most reason why they missed the playoffs and he is going to try to catch the biggest fish out there. He did it with Pedro. Gave him the extra year and Pedro was on the downside of his career. At least this guy s still in him prime.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Are you making it down for any of the games? I am going Sunday (if there is a game 4 assuming the Crew doesn't sweep it in 3). It is going to get crazy down here tomorrow and thru the weekend!

no doubt about it !!! this state is as big a fan of the brewers as the packers, when they put a competitive team on the field. outside of this state some would not realize this with all the attention football and the packers get.

but all you have to do is go back and watch the 82 brewers run to the ws and that place was as crazy as any day at lambeau. that season county was packed all the time. and thankfully you and i will get to taste a little bit of it again.

hopefully more then the nds.

its going to be tuff but if cc is willing and ready to pitch twice and we get the bats a thumpin and just one other starter can pull out a win(hopefully gallardo on day one looks like our best shot as long as the crew get some hits off hamel) we could take this first round.

i know the critics have all jumped on the phillie bandwagon on espn, and for good reason. but we do the above and get a good bullpen performence the day gallardo pitches if we have a lead, there is no reason we don't have a chance.

very optimistic about our chances here in the first round with 5 games and cc

have a great time on sun if we are still around, what am i saying? how can you not ,that place will be ROCKING!!!!!!!!

GO CREW!!!!!!