Is a vote for Sarah..a vote for Todd as well?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You are kidding?
Yes.
I believe so.

No Im not kidding.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No Im not kidding.

Yes you are.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes you are.

lobbyists?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

lobbyists?

Of course, but that is not necessarily in our National interest.
Just like giving aid to African countries after the 2004 tsumani
in the Indian Ocean is not necessarily in our National interest.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Of course, but that is not necessarily in our National interest.
Just like giving aid to African countries after the 2004 tsumani
in the Indian Ocean is not necessarily in our National interest.

So our obsession with Israeli prosperity is humanitarian?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So our obsession with Israeli prosperity is humanitarian?

Not humanitarian, but a democracy among dictatorships.
And for strategic reasons. They are a buffer and they occupy
some of the Islamic hatred that would cause the varying factions to try to
wipe out each other (ex. the numerous Iran v. Iraq conflicts of the 1980's)
Israel helps deflect some of that, it could be a lot worse.

And they help with little projects like bombing Sadam's Nuclear power plant.
Just like they will if Iran gets to close. They take care of the dirty chores
for us.

One other huge thing. Intelligence. They have a very able intelligence
agency.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Honu

I have researched Mr Obama , I have looked at his record in the senate and what he did before he was elected to the Senate , I cannot find one thing of a substance that he has done while an elected offical. So far I have found not one peice of legislation that he is responsible for . He did work with law enforcement agency's to get confessions taped for all capital cases. He partnered on a bill to get WMD in Eastern Europe and Russia destroyed and created a website to track Federal Spending. He was the first to raise the threat of avian flu on the house floor and he worked to eliminate gifts of travel on corprate jets to members of congress. Thats it that is all he has done while being a Senator , now tell me he is qaulified to run the country on that modest resume , he can have your vote but he isnt getting mine.

LOL, I love how you didn't deny that you're parroting fabricated stuff about the guy.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Not humanitarian, but a democracy among dictatorships.
And for strategic reasons. They are a buffer and they occupy
some of the Islamic hatred that would cause the varying factions to try to
wipe out each other (ex. the numerous Iran v. Iraq conflicts of the 1980's)
Israel helps deflect some of that, it could be a lot worse.

And they help with little projects like bombing Sadam's Nuclear power plant.
Just like they will if Iran gets to close. They take care of the dirty chores
for us.

One other huge thing. Intelligence. They have a very able intelligence
agency.

Any counterpoints, as valid as they may be, would brand the deliverer as an anti-semite.

I have already accepted Barack as a terrorist/muslim.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Any counterpoints, as valid as they may be, would brand the deliverer as an anti-semite.

I have already accepted Barack as a terrorist/muslim.

Counterpoints are productive in a democratic society,
and I personally would not brand you as an antisemite.
Now if you started chanting JEW BOY, JEW BOY...

What in Christ's name am I talking about?
I am supposed to be Catholic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

I've heard this too, though I'm sure there is a more official reason, I have little knowledge in this area.

What's up with this "protection" we do for them?

it's gods will, just like the natural gas pipeline in alaska.

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's gods will, just like the natural gas pipeline in alaska.

Some Christian groups are very pro-Israel for just what you stated. Imo, Israel is extremely wary of this fantasy fascination.

We use them, just like they use us for strategic and intelligence purposes I believe.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, I love how you didn't deny that you're parroting fabricated stuff about the guy.

Whatever, I havent fabricated anything about the "Guy" , he said he had Muslim faith , he has known and been around people who blow **** up for their cause , his heritage does go back to his grandfathers tribe that killed Christains. He hasnt done anything while being a Senator , and the closest he has had to a governing position is being a community leader. Pretty much in a nut-shell the guy is a farce , he hasnt done anything and I dont see how he is fit to lead this country , but he can have your vote.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Honu

He hasnt done anything while being a Senator , and the closest he has had to a governing position is being a community leader. Pretty much in a nut-shell the guy is a farce , he hasnt done anything and I dont see how he is fit to lead this country , but he can have your vote.

I don't understand why you can't just start there. Why the need to bring up all of the other untrue nonsense perpetuated by right-wing lunatics? You know it's all just scare tactics, out of context remarks and dramatic exaggeration, so why parrot it?

Any arguments you may have are completely negated by your constant propagandism and incoherent hate speech.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Whatever, I havent fabricated anything about the "Guy" , he said he had Muslim faith , he has known and been around people who blow **** up for their cause , his heritage does go back to his grandfathers tribe that killed Christains. He hasnt done anything while being a Senator , and the closest he has had to a governing position is being a community leader. Pretty much in a nut-shell the guy is a farce , he hasnt done anything and I dont see how he is fit to lead this country , but he can have your vote.

you might want to be careful about dredging up heritage as a reason not to vote for someone, seriously. god knows what some peoples dead family members engaged in...

a little light reading, the first by olbermann.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27054958/

and then this is from the stephanopoulous interview--


"Asked about whether McCain himself has done anything to suggest he's Muslim, Obama said, "Let's not play games. What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come..."



"Christian faith," Stephanopoulos interrupted, correcting Obama.



"... my Christian faith. Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either."

i think anyone with half a brain can understand the questioning, and the context in which obama used the term 'my muslim faith'.

honu, still waiting for you to explain why it would indeed matter what obamas faith is???? also, again, how is palins resume any better than obamas?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Honu

And your posts give no hope for the future and the youth of this country as you are so blindly led by someone who has done nothing and stood for even less , a person who has no leadership background and no platform to stand on but "CHANGE" . Yes all this non-sense about the man saying he is Muslim , his family ties to Muslims who have killed Christains in Africa , his knowing a guy who likes to make bombs and blow things up so people will see how right he is and his own preacher hating on white people. But none of this is a big deal right ? You are willing to let him lead us as a people , to let all this other stuff just be pushed aside because he is for change.

I dont have a problem with his religion or any of that. My big problem with Obama is that he's written a bunch of books but no legislature. He's basically done nothing and the only reason he's in this spot is cause he's some kind of political celebrity. I honestly cant even believe he's in the position to run for president with his lack of accomplishments.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont have a problem with his religion or any of that. My big problem with Obama is that he's written a bunch of books but no legislature. He's basically done nothing and the only reason he's in this spot is cause he's some kind of political celebrity. I honestly cant even believe he's in the position to run for president with his lack of accomplishments.

What were George W. Bush's accomplishments in 2000?

Let me see:

Ran a few business into the ground.

Snorted a bunch of the white.

Was in the national guard but was awol half the time.



What exactly are the "accomplishments" necessary to be president especially following the one currently in office?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

if that is the case, God help us.

I had never heard that before. I wonder if someone more versed on the subject could help us understand because I never have understood why Israel's fate was of such importance to us.

Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much.

I honestly think it is because of all the Jewish influence over here. I really hope this does not sound anti-jewish cause I am not at all and this post is not meant to come off that way.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much.

I honestly think it is because of all the Jewish influence over here. I really hope this does not sound anti-jewish cause I am not at all and this post is not meant to come off that way.

You do realize that the majority of the Israel lobby in the US is made up of gentile support from Neo Conservatives.

yes, that fine party that you support.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much.

I honestly think it is because of all the Jewish influence over here. I really hope this does not sound anti-jewish cause I am not at all and this post is not meant to come off that way.

You dont really believe this do you? The thought that we would be "homies" with the Middle east if it weren't for Isreal is so twisted that I cant believe anyone would believe it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You do realize that the majority of the Israel lobby in the US is made up of gentile support from Neo Conservatives.

yes, that fine party that you support.

You are kidding right? Yeah the jewish vote always goes Republican.