Islam and the weapon of deception

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Muslims" did not try to blow up the Trade Center before.

"Terrorists" tried to blow up the Trade Center before.

Sorry, those words simply are not equivalent.

Oh really , uhm what faith were the bombers? They were Muslim look it up , dude they were warning us way before 911 , that they were going to drop those buildings one way or another.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Oh really , uhm what faith were the bombers? They were Muslim look it up , dude they were warning us way before 911 , that they were going to drop those buildings one way or another.

Dude, you have completely missed the point.

Let's see ... literal ... literal ...

False: All blonde women are dumb.
False: Christianity is the most common religion in the world.
False: All Christians are racists.
False: All Muslims are terrorists.

I will take the time now to interject a little meeting shown on C-Span last night involving American Muslim Leaders asking Obama to please reign in Israel when he gets into office. They went on and on about Israel this and that, and when asked about Hamas and the role they should play to end the current conflict they had nothing to say.

Then when asked about their ties with illegal funds sent to terrorist organizations and what the investigation yielded they left the stage. It was quite revealing. I certainly hope these guys dont speak for the majority of Muslims in the US.

American Muslim Task Force

Council on American-Islamic Relations

might have to have a look at these two groups.

[Riot]

Do you think those men speak for 6-8 million US citizens?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think those men speak for 6-8 million US citizens?

well...i do know NOW (for example) doesn't speak for me...

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think those men speak for 6-8 million US citizens?

Probably not.
But who does then?

These are fairly large vocal political Muslim groups.
Where are the counter point groups?
There are plenty of protests in Israel by Israelis concerning
the bombing. Its called a legitimate Democracy.

I wonder what happens with protests against Hamas in Gaza?
I will answer. They kill your members and shove you
over to the West Bank.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I will take the time now to interject a little meeting shown on C-Span last night involving American Muslim Leaders asking Obama to please reign in Israel when he gets into office. They went on and on about Israel this and that, and when asked about Hamas and the role they should play to end the current conflict they had nothing to say.

Then when asked about their ties with illegal funds sent to terrorist organizations and what the investigation yielded they left the stage. It was quite revealing. I certainly hope these guys dont speak for the majority of Muslims in the US.

American Muslim Task Force

Council on American-Islamic Relations

might have to have a look at these two groups.

I wonder why they don't ask President Bush to do it before he leaves office

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

This thread sucks.

Don't hold back there Coach

Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dude, you have completely missed the point.

Let's see ... literal ... literal ...

False: All blonde women are dumb.
False: Christianity is the most common religion in the world.
False: All Christians are racists.
False: All Muslims are terrorists.

Dont make me out to be that simple ok, I was just stating a fact , you can believe it was just people who happen to be Muslim that tried for years to blow up the World Trade Center and happen to blow up our ship , and they also just happen to be Muslims that have blown up our Embassies and hikacked our planes and killed hundreds of thousands of people.
There is a direct correlation to people of the Muslim faith and terrorism it cant be denied , Im not saying all Muslims are terrorists but it sure doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the theme to most of the crap that is going on in the world.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out one more thing that you are wrong about in this thread.
The entire premise for this thread is obvioulsy completely nonsensical, but given that Hossy, Spencer, and now Danzig, have done a fine job of taking up the banner of rational thought against you, we don't ALL really need to pile on you.
So, you can rest assured that you are completely wrong in your statement here. They are speaking for more than just themselves.

Well, I agree very rarely with TIMM, or HONU. On this subject, they happen to be correct. For example, Zig talks about a Christian she knows that uses the "N" word. He's not doing that for religious reasons. He's not doing that in an effort to follow the teachings of his prophet. He's doing it because he's a racist. His prophet encourages him to not follow his racist views. Right? If not for Christianity, he may very well have used violence against races he doesn't like. Now, compare this to the Muslims that do things we don't agree with. Are they following their prophet's teachings when they blow stuff up, and kill people? Yes, they are following his teachings. For some reason people refuse to believe that. They don't do these acts despite what their prophet says. They do it directly because of what their prophet said. You can say I blanket people all you want, but this is the prophet of their religion. Not some side figure that they can take or leave. If you're a Muslim, then you have a killer for a prophet. He was violent. His teachings are violent. We may get lucky, and some Muslims may refuse to follow their prophet's teachings. Fact is, these terrorists are not disobeying their prophet when they kill innocent people that aren't fellow Muslims. When Christians do these bad things you described, they aren't doing it to satisfy their prophet. It's not done for religious reasons. That's simply not the case when Muslims kill innocent people. I understand the KUM-BA-YA stuff on here, but it's based on ignorance of Islam. Zig, that prophet taught them to convert you to Islam. If you refuse, he taught them to kill you. Enough with the paddy-cake bullsht. If someone chooses to follow that Prophet, then they choose to follow a very violent individual. Read what he said. Who would follow that guy? How can you call yourself peace-loving when your prophet taught you to kill non-believers? How can you have respect for women when your prophet tells you to treat them as your farm animals are treated? Sorry, I don't get that. Your views on this subject are a deep stretch. Ours are based on unfortunate facts that you refuse to accept.

[Honu]

Scuds , c'mere Ima kiss you

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Honu

Dont make me out to be that simple ok, I was just stating a fact , you can believe it was just people who happen to be Muslim that tried for years to blow up the World Trade Center and happen to blow up our ship , and they also just happen to be Muslims that have blown up our Embassies and hikacked our planes and killed hundreds of thousands of people.
There is a direct correlation to people of the Muslim faith and terrorism it cant be denied , Im not saying all Muslims are terrorists but it sure doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the theme to most of the crap that is going on in the world.

maybe the problem is monotheism. or just theism.

in my lifetime, i've seen catholics and protestants commit atrocities against one another in ireland, hindu's and muslims slaughter each other in india, serbian christians commit genocide against innocent muslim bosnian's, and as you point out muslim's committing acts of mass murder against civilian's here in the u.s.

the one thing they all had in common is a belief in the one true god.

if we're looking for the commonality, let's not stop with a specific set of beliefs.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

maybe the problem is monotheism. or just theism.

in my lifetime, i've seen catholics and protestants commit atrocities against one another in ireland, hindu's and muslims slaughter each other in india, serbian christians commit genocide against innocent muslim bosnian's, and as you point out muslim's committing acts of mass murder against civilian's here in the u.s.

the one thing they all had in common is a belief in the one true god.

if we're looking for the commonality, let's not stop with a specific set of beliefs.

I agree with everything you say , all those things are true , and us the Americans stepped in on the genocide being committed against the Bosnians even if the world didnt like it. But am I so blind I dont see current trend of terroism throughout the world? , no I see it ,the Catholics and Protestants have been killing each other until recently when I guess they finally realized that not everyone has to believe what YOU believe or they just got tired of killing each other . I agree that most faiths are driven to the point that some people will kill because they feel that is what is right , but if you look at the world TODAY it is the Muslims that are creating and carrying out the most horrific crimes against humanity , they dont care if they kill women and children as long as they blow something up.
What I dont get is how they feel like the world wants them to change how they live their lives , is it because we want them to respect women and children? To me they can worship Allah and their women can choose to be subserviant unto the men , they can deny equaility all they want but when they start killing people in mass because their faith tells them its ok then I have a problem.
It is a very simple culture of the Muslim faith , if you believe , when u die u get a gabillion virgins then its worth dying for if you have no chance of ever having a life , if you have a life but your government and country offer you no hope for a better life then the reward is , well as it seems better than what they have now.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

maybe the problem is monotheism. or just theism.

in my lifetime, i've seen catholics and protestants commit atrocities against one another in ireland, hindu's and muslims slaughter each other in india, serbian christians commit genocide against innocent muslim bosnian's, and as you point out muslim's committing acts of mass murder against civilian's here in the u.s.

the one thing they all had in common is a belief in the one true god.

if we're looking for the commonality, let's not stop with a specific set of beliefs.

The problem is what that prophet taught them: 1) Kill those that won't accept Islam as their religion, and 2) kill those that try to leave Islam.....That's a big giant problem. The solution isn't to be found by looking for flaws in Christianity. I have no problem with anyone doing that, but it doesn't help change the much bigger problems that Islam has to offer the 3/4 of the world that isn't Muslim.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Let me ask you guys something, do you think it's possible for someone to be a muslim and not follow the Quaran word for word? I mean, think of all the Christians in this country. Obviously they all don't follow the Bible word for word. So it's probable that at least a percentage of Muslim's don't follow it word for word. What about these people? Are we just "lucky" as the voice of reason said, or is there really no difference between a muslim terrorist and a terrorist in your eyes?

No I dont think its possible....... I believe that the Muslims who are killing peope all over the globe take what they have been told and read as verbatim.

[declansharbor]

What is a Muslim?

and what does Dimmothy McVeigh have to do with them?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The problem is what that prophet taught them: 1) Kill those that won't accept Islam as their religion, and 2) kill those that try to leave Islam.....That's a big giant problem. The solution isn't to be found by looking for flaws in Christianity. I have no problem with anyone doing that, but it doesn't help change the much bigger problems that Islam has to offer the 3/4 of the world that isn't Muslim.

if that was actually the core problem we'd never have experienced murder in the name of god before muslim extremism.

the problem isn't muslim.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

"..they dont care if they kill women and children as long as they blow something up."

They care deeply about Muslim women and children who get killed by Non-Muslims. They didn't care when Hamas was shooting rockets in to Israel. They don't care about 9 Jews getting killed by those rockets. They care a whoooooole lot about the loss of Muslim life that took place when Israel finally bombed Hamas compounds in Gaza. Muslims care a great deal about other Muslims, and not a whole lot about anyone else.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if that was actually the core problem we'd never have experienced murder in the name of god before muslim extremism.

the problem isn't muslim.

Dude everyone knows that Muslims are not the only faith to have commited crimes against humanity .......We are talking about right now , what is going on in the world today , if it were Catholics or Jews or Protestants commiting these horrific acts I would be just as loud about it. But it isnt , it is the people of this faith (not all of them) but alot of them in the Middle East and they dont care if you die while they try and get their message thru.
I was living in Hawaii when the attack on the WTC happened and the news got to me about 6 am Hawaii time , when I turned on the T.V. I seen where the first building had been crashed into and then the second and then they said a plane had hit the Pentagon and another had went down in Pa. , but they didnt say where. My first thought was my mom who worked for the DOD and happened to be in Pitt. that day in the federal building . My second thought was because they gave no information was that maybe they had attacked Pitt. and that my mom could be in danger . You will never know how scared I was until I could get ahold of her , and fianally I did , after 2 whole city blocks around the federal building had been evacuated.

So yes to me in this day and age , at least the last 30 years of my life , it has been radical Muslims who have carried out the most crimes against man , they have hijacked our planes , they have tried to blow up our ships and most of all they kill their own without blinking an eye , so to me they are saying they dont care who dies just as long as they get a few Infidels.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if that was actually the core problem we'd never have experienced murder in the name of god before muslim extremism.

the problem isn't muslim.

Uh, anybody can say they are killing in the name of God, but when Muslims kill (in the name of God,) they are the ones who are in line with their prophet's own teachings. That's the point that people want to ignore. Christians who kill in the name of God aren't doing it to satisfy their prophet. I have a brother who is heavily into Christianity. I have heard a lot of crap from him, but I have never heard him say he wants to kill for Jesus. I just don't think it's going to happen. If he did, it wouldn't be because of what his prophet taught.