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[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

No offense but you are absolutely clueless. I'm done.

where was it in game 1 against Beckett?

game 2 - it was there in spots

game 3 - tell me penny is supposed to go 6 and only give up 1 run , you tell me that is what the offense is supposed to do against this bum and i will go away - 1 run against brad f*en penny

[dalakhani]

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

you know there are 30 teams now in baseball , but, there are not 150 quality pitchers in the majors --- this will tend to lead to stat inflation in my opinion as the lambs get sent out every 4th and 5th day

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I wonder if there is a stat out there that shows production relative to pitching quality for a hitter.

There have been plenty of hitters that have great year end stats but i always wonder if they get their stats against the 3,4,5 pitchers vs. the 1,2. Does that make any sense?

It does make sense but would be really hard to figure. i would assume that virtually every player hits the lesser pitchers better than the better ones. But wins against lesser pitchers count the same as the better ones.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you know there are 30 teams now in baseball , but, there are not 150 quality pitchers in the majors --- this will tend to lead to stat inflation in my opinion as the lambs get sent out every 4th and 5th day

Not to mention the 2nd rate middle relief pitchers that now pitch 40% of the innings

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I completely agree. When CC was lifted last night it was the perfect time for Joba (if available) and Aceves had no business being in that situation.

NT

Aceves, has actually been good out there. Girardi probably has the most faith in him (obviously behind Mariano). Last night he left a lefty (Coke) in against a few righties because he had no faith that Veras could throw strikes with the bags full.

Originally Posted by gales0678

where was it in game 1 against Beckett?

game 2 - it was there in spots

game 3 - tell me penny is supposed to go 6 and only give up 1 run , you tell me that is what the offense is supposed to do against this bum and i will go away - 1 run against brad f*en penny

I don't think any team in the league would have sniffed Beckett. He's been lights out at times this season and Tuesday was one of those nights.

Wang put them in a early hole. They got themselves back in the game and came up a bit short.

They had the lead going into the 8th, what else do you want. Reguardless of whom is pitching for the other team, it's still major leaguers. So to automatically think that you are going to hang a 12 spot on the other team because it's the 5th starter or you percieve the guy to sucking is just an illusion. Look how well Tim Redding pitched for the Mets last night. On any given night a pitcher could be on. The Yanks just let it get away last night, plus the Sox proabably deserve so credit too.

Last and not least, I know they make the most, but when do other players become accountable? It can't always be on Tex and A-rod who gave them the lead last night.

[gales0678]

[quote=MaTH716]Aceves, has actually been good out there. Girardi probably has the most faith in him (obviously behind Mariano). Last night he left a lefty (Coke) in against a few righties because he had no faith that Veras could throw strikes with the bags full.



I don't think any team in the league would have sniffed Beckett. He's been lights out at times this season and Tuesday was one of those nights.

Wang put them in a early hole. They got themselves back in the game and came up a bit short.

They had the lead going into the 8th, what else do you want. Reguardless of whom is pitching for the other team, it's still major leaguers. So to automatically think that you are going to hang a 12 spot on the other team because it's the 5th starter or you percieve the guy to sucking is just an illusion. Look how well Tim Redding pitched for the Mets last night. On any given night a pitcher could be on. The Yanks just let it get away last night, plus the Sox proabably deserve so credit too.

Last and not least, I know they make the most, but when do other players become accountable? It can't always be on Tex and A-rod who gave them the lead last night.[/QUOTE]

they are all accoutable as far as i'm concerned when they can't hit Brad Penny , it just the way it is in NY , if you are going to take the big $$$ , the spotlight is going to fall on you , it ain't falling onto Brett gardiner ....fair or not , those are the rules when you sign the $20mm contracts - simply inexcusible last night to not hit that "pig" in the 1st 6 innings from batter 1-9!

[MaTH716]

Come on Gales, who's talking about Gardner. But most of them are making alot of scratch, including Captain America.
I've had enough of this for today. I have to start looking at Hollywood for tonight and Photoshop a few more pictures of Scavs. Very Very busy around here.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Come on Gales, who's talking about Gardner. But most of them are making alot of scratch, including Captain America.
I've had enough of this for today. I have to start looking at Hollywood for tonight and Photoshop a few more pictures of Scavs. Very Very busy around here.

fair eneough , but , his salary is backed by 4 pieces of silver

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I completely agree. When CC was lifted last night it was the perfect time for Joba (if available) and Aceves had no business being in that situation.

NT

The trouble is the GM.. belives that J.C. is a STARTING picture... and untill he changes his thoughts... we will be a starting picture...... All this talk about your third baseman & first baseman..... Big Papi...did hit two HR's in the three games.. Go Sox's !

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

The trouble is the GM.. belives that J.C. is a STARTING picture... and untill he changes his thoughts... we will be a starting picture...... All this talk about your third baseman & first baseman..... Big Papi...did hit two HR's in the three games.. Go Sox's !

no he is told what to do - hank and hal steinbrenner , more hank , sent the word down that he should be a starter....you would play along too for the $5mm per yr he makes

[MaTH716]

Over 70 pitches through 3 innings. Mets scored 2 in the 2nd on 3 walks and 2 HBP, not a hit. Not only is Joba hurting the pen by not being out there, now they are probably have to pick him up for about 6 innings.
It's not like he's Steve Carlton, they should put him back in the pen immediatley.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

So Arods 2 out 2 run double in the 7th with the game tied was not a clutch hit? Was it his fault the pitching could not hold the lead?

Well it's pretty much accepted that AROD is a post-season choke. We all know he's overpaid. The question is whether Tex is also tending that way(it's not like he was knocking in Halos in the post against Boston.) Against quality playoff pitching, I don't see him as a tough out(20 mil/year star should be.) The Wednesday Night at bat against PAP is a great example. He tried to pull that pitch. Won't work. To me, the Phils have at least 3 good hitters that would have been able to go with that pitch the other way. Those are good post season hitters. I do wish Gales would have waited until the post to talk about Tex. GALES, don't be making trouble.

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well it's pretty much accepted that AROD is a post-season choke. We all know he's overpaid. The question is whether Tex is also tending that way(it's not like he was knocking in Halos in the post against Boston.) Against quality playoff pitching, I don't see him as a tough out(20 mil/year star should be.) The Wednesday Night at bat against PAP is a great example. He tried to pull that pitch. Won't work. To me, the Phils have at least 3 good hitters that would have been able to go with that pitch the other way. Those are good post season hitters. I do wish Gales would have waited until the post to talk about Tex. GALES, don't be making trouble.

So are you saying that ARods hit the other night was not a clutch hit because it wasn't the playoffs?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

So are you saying that ARods hit the other night was not a clutch hit because it wasn't the playoffs?

until either arod or tex does it in oct they are not worth what they are being paid , it's as plain as vanilla in a sugar cone

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by gales0678

until either arod or tex does it in oct they are not worth what they are being paid , it's as plain as vanilla in a sugar cone

First off I didn't ask you but I guees you two share one thought.

So if their hits that drive in go ahead runs in the 7th inning don't count as clutch because it isn't a playoff game then why are they choking when they don 't get the hit? It's not a playoff game so who cares.

You can't have it both ways. If it's not clutch when they get the hit, they can't be choking when they don't if it's not the playoffs, according to you two.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

First off I didn't ask you but I guees you two share one thought.

So if their hits that drive in go ahead runs in the 7th inning don't count as clutch because it isn't a playoff game then why are they choking when they don 't get the hit? It's not a playoff game so who cares.

You can't have it both ways. If it's not clutch when they get the hit, they can't be choking when they don't if it's not the playoffs, according to you two.

the bottom line was 3-26 with men in scoring position or something like that the entire team was over the 3 game series with boston - everyone wants to talk pitching, but, when the team does this it ain't good , yes a-rod got a CLUTCH hit last night , but they didn't get eneough runs that's the bottome line

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the bottom line was 3-26 with men in scoring position or something like that the entire team was over the 3 game series with boston - everyone wants to talk pitching, but, when the team does this it ain't good , yes a-rod got a CLUTCH hit last night , but they didn't get eneough runs that's the bottome line

They aren't going to score 6 runs every night. You can't blow leads after the 7th on a consistant basis and keep blaming the offense.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

They aren't going to score 6 runs every night. You can't blow leads after the 7th on a consistant basis and keep blaming the offense.

could have gone to "MO" in the 8th after the hit made it 3-2 with 2 on no out , let him get 6 outs , and get a win in boston , if your are going to lose at least go down with your best shot on the mound

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

could have gone to "MO" in the 8th after the hit made it 3-2 with 2 on no out , let him get 6 outs , and get a win in boston , if your are going to lose at least go down with your best shot on the mound

I would have had no problem with that.