Rachel Alexandra sale pending; Preakness possible? - Page 5

Danzig · #81 05-06-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/je...hel-alexandra/

sigh

great...now we get to hear all about curlin AND rachels contributions to the gene pool. i haven't missed that guy since curlin retired.

er...i haven't missed curlin either-or the trainer for that matter!

NTamm1215 · #82 05-06-2009, 06:55 PM

Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought Jess Jackson did everything perfectly from a fan perspective. We wanted to see Curlin as a 4YO- he did it. We wanted to see him try turf- he did it. We wanted to see him go back to dirt- he did it. We wanted to see him in the BC Classic- he did it. Why is Jess Jackson buying Rachel Alexandra so bad, especially if he's gonna do exactly what MOST racing fans want, to run her against males?

NT

letswastemoney · #83 05-06-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Assuming Borel has his choice in mounts, he takes the filly you'd think. So, has a Derby winner ever had his jockey on another horse in the Preakness?

You can't pass up a chance at the Triple Crown..Triple Crown is once in a lifetime opportunity. Who knows how many more chances Borel will have?

Danzig · #84 05-06-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

“We are delighted to sell Rachel Alexandra to Jess Jackson’s Stonestreet Stables. Its reputation for integrity, putting the best interest of the horses above all else, and just doing things right will ensure this incredible thoroughbreds’ future and the industry at large. We are equally please she will retire after her racing career to Stonestreet Stables,” said Dolphus Morrison of L and M Partners, LLC.

Antitrust32 · #85 05-06-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought Jess Jackson did everything perfectly from a fan perspective. We wanted to see Curlin as a 4YO- he did it. We wanted to see him try turf- he did it. We wanted to see him go back to dirt- he did it. We wanted to see him in the BC Classic- he did it. Why is Jess Jackson buying Rachel Alexandra so bad, especially if he's gonna do exactly what MOST racing fans want, to run her against males?

NT

good post....

I dont think Jess Jackson is the problem (though I've heard lots of people in the industry have a problem with him)

I think its ASSMAN that people would be upset about... I mean... who really wants to see ASSMAN train any good horse??

Danzig · #86 05-06-2009, 07:00 PM

calvin has the chance to win the preakness on the best horse he's ever ridden...or go for the tc on a horse who probably hasn't got much chance to do so.

it'd be a tough call to make i would think.

you take the better horse. rachel is it. the chances of mine that bird winning out is somewhere between exceedingly slim and none. lol

i'd love to have the chance to make that choice tho!!!

Merlinsky · #87 05-06-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Even if he thinks Rachel is better? Isn't the point to put yourself in the best position to win?

I thought I heard if she ran in the Belmont, and a TC was on the line, he'd still take her. Did someone put words in his mouth or did Calvin say that? I'm in a foul mood about her leaving Wiggins but leaving Calvin would just be beyond wrong. I'm gonna guess he goes with her in the Preakness should he be asked to choose but for all we know, them that shall not be named will just grab somebody else who has a higher tooth-to-mouth ratio that our dear Calvin. Why stop now Jess?

Is there a shot we can get 14 in the Preakness? If so, no Rachel no matter how bad he wants it.

philcski · #88 05-06-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

You can't pass up a chance at the Triple Crown..Triple Crown is once in a lifetime opportunity. Who knows how many more chances Borel will have?

Once thing's for certain... this situation doesn't occur too frequently.

Probably not many, because according to some people around here he's a low percentage jockey

NTamm1215 · #89 05-06-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with most of this, but he had no choice in regards to bringing him back as a 4 year old. You have to admit, his Curlin is an all time great was a bit much and rubbed people the wrong way.

Sure, his hyperbole got very annoying. I found it easy to tune him out, however, it was mostly over the top. I get the anti-Asmussen remarks without a doubt, however, what stuck out the most to me about this thing was that we're finally going to be able to see just how good Rachel Alexandra really is and as a fan that's exciting.

NT

letswastemoney · #90 05-06-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Once thing's for certain... this situation doesn't occur too frequently.

Probably not many, because according to some people around here he's a low percentage jockey

A lot of high percentage jockeys never win the Derby

philcski · #91 05-06-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

A lot of high percentage jockeys never win the Derby

I'm fully aware of that. That wasn't directed to you though- apologies for the confusion.

letswastemoney · #92 05-06-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Even if he thinks Rachel is better? Isn't the point to put yourself in the best position to win?

He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

freddymo · #93 05-06-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

“We are delighted to sell Rachel Alexandra to Jess Jackson’s Stonestreet Stables. Its reputation for integrity, putting the best interest of the horses above all else, and just doing things right will ensure this incredible thoroughbreds’ future and the industry at large. We are equally please she will retire after her racing career to Stonestreet Stables,” said Dolphus Morrison of L and M Partners, LLC.

He did race Curlin at 4 and he did have Curlin try the grass.. He bought her to race her and hopefully she will continue to be terriffic. ASS did do a fine job with Curlin I would expect that he does a nice job with the filly.. As for going in the Preakness..why not? She really has no comp in her division and maybe she wins the dam thing by 7 lengths and we have something amazing to talk about.. I would rather her against her own but have absolutely no doubt she can beat the vermin heading for the Preakness..She is a super filly I don't give a crap who owns her all I know is I dont..

Travis Stone · #94 05-06-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

We haven't even run the Preakness and we're talking about a Borel/MTB/RA decision for the Triple Crown chance???

Danzig · #95 05-06-2009, 07:19 PM

would love to see rachel try the preakness and try the boys. there's nothing left in her division imo. either go vs males, or take on zenyatta-on dirt.

if it takes jackson buying her to see her vs males, i can live with that. assman....ech.

phystech · #96 05-06-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

If Wiggins gets $250,000 out of the deal he's making out like a bandit...and chances are he'll get much more than that.

Trainer typically gets 10% of sale price - at least that's been my experience.

freddymo · #97 05-06-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Freddy, he HAD to run him at 4. There was still a court case pending.

He wanted to run Curlin at 4 the court case didn't hurt running him at 4 but I never thought he would have retired the colt at 3.

Danzig · #98 05-06-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We haven't even run the Preakness and we're talking about a Borel/MTB/RA decision for the Triple Crown chance???

i thought it was about the preakness. obviously if borel has the choice, and choses rachel, he's forgoing a shot at the tc. doesn't mean the gelding is, just the jock.
if she goes..if he has the choice.

freddymo · #99 05-06-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In my opinion it's more likely he rides Rachel, wins and watches Mine That Bird finish a non threatening 8th.

There is no chance he wouldn't ride Rachel vs. Birdcrap if given the choice..

Danzig · #**100** 05-06-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

He wanted to run Curlin at 4 the court case didn't hurt running him at 4 but I never thought he would have retired the colt at 3.

no court case, no hold up on a stud deal. he'd have retired him in a heartbeat for the $$$. since he was hamstrung, he went for the earnings record since he was already running curlin.