9/5 (SAR): Woodward (G1) - Page 5

CSC · #81 09-03-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

CS, why do you argue with freddy? he knows sooo much more about racing than you do.

Oh thank you...that means so much to me.

Freddy obviously knows alot about racing, that is why I bother talking with him so I can set him straight.

Edit-You mean't Cannon, my mistake. It's getting late...

CSC · #82 09-03-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Why would that happen?

If you're trying to say that the competition Zenyatta has faced is unfairly criticized then I couldn't possibly disagree more. The horses Zenyatta beat last time out are not good.

NT

Yes Zenyatta has had a joke of a campaign, I would never defend that shed.

Also I think alot of posters should read Chuck's posts today, I agree(how's that for a change) with alot of what he has said today. I don't disrespect RA as a horse but I believe she needs one more race with some risk in it along the vein of the Preakness to atleast get me aboard with the RA club, The JCGC would earn the rest of my respect if it can't be the BC.

CSC · #83 09-03-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

tier 2 group? Who is the tier 1 group?

One can only hope that's the JCGC.

10 pnt move up · #84 09-03-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

One can only hope that's the JCGC.

Isnt it going to be basically this same group?

Who, by name, is in the tier 1 group of dirt horses?

CSC · #85 09-03-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Zenyatta beats nothing and she is hailed as the Queen - so yes, probably.

Touche. I'm speechless...

CSC · #86 09-03-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i wish she was there. that way, instead of us all talking about it, we could see it all unfold. it would launch zenyatta into the same stratosphere that rachel is currently residing.

I already replied to you on the other thread, I am tired but yes it would launch her, however those connections have their own ideas. A real shame.

CSC · #87 09-03-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Isnt it going to be basically this same group?

Who, by name, is in the tier 1 group of dirt horses?

The one that won the Travers is 99.99% sure and the one that finished 3rd is a maybe. I'll take those 2 to start, maybe the derby winner. Dry Martini..

10 pnt move up · #88 09-03-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

The one that won the Travers is 99.99% sure and the one that finished 3rd is a maybe. I'll take those 2 to start, maybe the derby winner. Dry Martini..

What have you seen from Summer Bird to think he is more than in a fight to be the best of a very average group? I do like quality road's talent, give him a pass, but again its not like he is anything special.

Danzig · #89 09-03-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I already replied to you on the other thread, I am tired but yes it would launch her, however those connections have their own ideas. A real shame.

yeah, it really is a shame. her win streak is pretty cool-but i almost feel like zenyatta is being cheated in a way. maybe if/when she ties personal ensign, they'll try something new with her.

Danzig · #90 09-03-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

What have you seen from Summer Bird to think he is more than in a fight to be the best of a very average group? I do like quality road's talent, give him a pass, but again its not like he is anything special.

hard to say yet what these colts will turn out to be. hopefully many will be around for a year or so to add to their resumes. summer bird is the best of the bunch, and may still have some upside to him-he's been a bit of a late starter. i hope he runs next year. but too soon to say if these guys are average, a bit above or a bit below. definitely some speed in this bunch.

freddymo · #91 09-04-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hi my name is Freddy, I am a logic hater. I hated philosophy. I hate that damn Spock. I used logic when defending Paragallo and look where THAT got me.

I love Spock. Always thought Capt. Kirk was a bit of a blow hard.

I didn't defend Paragallo per say I thought it was impossible for a human who was earning from horses to knowingly starve them.

freddymo · #92 09-04-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You continue to make my point for me. If you are in charge of a once in a generation horse why wouldnt the Haskell and Woodward be logical spots? You do understand the meaning of logical dont you? Or maybe i will put it to you in a different manner. What is illogical about her competing in those races?

The Woodward is a very agressive spot and risky.You own a 3 year old filly that seems to be indestructable. She has beaten the best 3 year old males twice. It is a very "sporting" thing for racing for Rachel to attempt to win the Woodward. You say what do you mean she is the ML favorite, why the heck is this just another good spot for her. Which in my opinion totally misses essence of what she and her connections are doing for racing.

Think about it this way the Sherriffs and the Moss's still haven't tried a huge mare that is plenty good against anything but the sofest logical spots. And you have people like Ron Ellis applauding the process. A filly running in the Woodward is special.

Just read the Crist piece unlike me who cant but a cogent thought on paper to save my life Crist realizes the magnitude of the campaign.

freddymo · #93 09-04-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Oh thank you...that means so much to me.

Freddy obviously knows alot about racing, that is why I bother talking with him so I can set him straight.

Edit-You mean't Cannon, my mistake. It's getting late...

CS was meant to be Cannon Shell not you. I respect Cannon Shell a lot and am not arguing with. We have different points of view and discuss them. I understand your points as well. Just because people have different understandings of a situation or horse doesn't mean they are hostile or disrespectful to others ideas.

CSC · #94 09-04-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

CS was meant to be Cannon Shell not you. I respect Cannon Shell a lot and am not arguing with. We have different points of view and discuss them. I understand your points as well. Just because people have different understandings of a situation or horse doesn't mean they are hostile or disrespectful to others ideas.

Well said, alot of people have alot of good viewpoints here. We can all learn something from everyone and I have.

Antitrust32 · #95 09-04-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I do too, but my point was if Zenyatta won would she be criticized for beating a tier 2 group of males that RA will no doubt be lauded for beating.

that is so not true. If we ever got the chance to see Zenyatta race against anything but that crappy division she races in EVERY sSingle race she would get the respect she deserves.

Its more distain against Zenyatta's connections for not letting us fans and race followers see how good she truely is. You cant prove anything in the races she's been running in besides the BC Distaff.