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Danzig · #81 11-19-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

No.

interesting. you can't call it a war, treat them as enemy soldiers, and then not follow the geneva conventions. we signed it, we have to follow it. now, if you contend they aren't soldiers, but are criminals, we would then not treat them as combatants and they would be due a day in our criminal courts.

dalakhani · #82 11-19-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have been spending too much time handicapping

Exactaly!

dalakhani · #83 11-19-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

interesting. you can't call it a war, treat them as enemy soldiers, and then not follow the geneva conventions. we signed it, we have to follow it. now, if you contend they aren't soldiers, but are criminals, we would then not treat them as combatants and they would be due a day in our criminal courts.

Perfectaly stated!

Honu · #84 11-19-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

interesting. you can't call it a war, treat them as enemy soldiers, and then not follow the geneva conventions. we signed it, we have to follow it. now, if you contend they aren't soldiers, but are criminals, we would then not treat them as combatants and they would be due a day in our criminal courts.

I never contended they were criminals , if you look at my post I said clearly they had declared war on us. I said they should not be treated as regular killers.....I never said they werent soldiers , in fact I stated we should have bombed all their countries. The f****ers want us all dead , I wish we really would have just let our men in the field blow them away.

Riot · #85 11-19-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah but it was under duress of illegal methods will say the defense lawyer. Not to mention the insanely stupid quotes by Obama saying that he was "confident" that they will be found guilty and be executed before the trail even begins. Kind of defeats the "we are gonna show the world how fair we are" theory.

??? Obama has zero to do with this. What he thinks doesn't matter a whit.

Honu · #86 11-19-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

??? Obama has zero to do with this. What he thinks doesn't matter a whit.

Like most everything he says.

dalakhani · #87 11-19-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I never contended they were criminals , if you look at my post I said clearly they had declared war on us. I said they should not be treated as regular killers.....I never said they werent soldiers , in fact I stated we should have bombed all their countries. The f****ers want us all dead , I wish we really would have just let our men in the field blow them away.

But that is the point. If you are saying that they are soldiers, we would have to treat them like soldiers and respect the rules of the geneva convention. You can't have it both ways.

Honu · #88 11-19-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

But that is the point. If you are saying that they are soldiers, we would have to treat them like soldiers and respect the rules of the geneva convention. You can't have it both ways.

Your right .....you have me . I dont care if they have any rights , I dont care if they get a fair trial or anything else. I wish they were dead and the faster it can happen the better I like it. I wish we would have bombed all the countries that they came from . Alas , Im not the boss and maybe its better that Im not . I have no bad feelings about anything that has happened to these people , just like I dont have any bad feelings about the Nazi concetration camp gaurds being shot on the spot when our guys found them.

hi_im_god · #89 11-19-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Your right .....you have me . I dont care if they have any rights , I dont care if they get a fair trial or anything else. I wish they were dead and the faster it can happen the better I like it. I wish we would have bombed all the countries that they came from . Alas , Im not the boss and maybe its better that Im not . I have no bad feelings about anything that has happened to these people , just like I dont have any bad feelings about the Nazi concetration camp gaurds being shot on the spot when our guys found them.

they weren't. which is the point.

we had the nuremberg trials.

Cannon Shell · #90 11-20-2009, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

??? Obama has zero to do with this. What he thinks doesn't matter a whit.

Holder is the attny general under whose watch these people will be tried. Obama is his boss. Are you seeing the connection here?

Danzig · #91 11-20-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

they weren't. which is the point.

we had the nuremberg trials.

actually, at dachau alone there were about 480 guards killed by g.i.'s when they liberated the camp.

joeydb · #92 11-20-2009, 07:59 AM

If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is acquitted, it will be the end of the Obama presidency. While we conservatives cannot wait for this guy to leave office, the ripple effects of this is not good for the country.

Antitrust32 · #93 11-20-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb

If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is acquitted, it will be the end of the Obama presidency. While we conservatives cannot wait for this guy to leave office, the ripple effects of this is not good for the country.

there is no way this mofo is acquitted. no way. though they are going about it horribly wrong and the whole country knows it. I mean... try these guys right down from where they towers fell? Give them a voice in a town they hurt so much? its sick and a horrible decision and holder/obama are and will feel the correct backlash.

with that said.. with the whole muslim "martyr" thing and mohammed basically saying he wants to be a martyr.. we should just lock him up for life in isolation in the worst place you can find. spend the rest of his life in a room with no one else and no one to talk to or brainwash. thats better than just killing him.

hi_im_god · #94 11-20-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

actually, at dachau alone there were about 480 guards killed by g.i.'s when they liberated the camp.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachau...ardTowerB.html

you're right. i didn't know that.

those executions were clearly unprosecuted war crimes.

i do note that the captured guards who weren't executed did get a trial.

joeydb · #95 11-20-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

there is no way this mofo is acquitted. no way. though they are going about it horribly wrong and the whole country knows it.

Maybe we can get him to try on a pair of gloves found at the scene. Remember O.J.?

Seriously, was he mirandized? He's being tried in a civilian court as provided for in Article III of the Constitution. If he was not read his rights prior to any questioning as a suspect -- automatic mistrial. Our president is supposedly a constitutional expert, and his Attorney General certainly should be as well, so they must realize this.

It is either a fair trial, or it is a show trial. If it's a fair trial, there is a nonzero probability that he will get acquitted or get a mistrial. If it's a show trial, then the proponents of doing this are trampling on the Constitution, and the very world opinion they are trying to court will turn against them.

And this man was pleading guilty and asking for the death penalty under the Uniform Code of Military Justice where the military tribunal would have rightfully handled the case. This is all for nothing. He is not a citizen and is not entitled to Constitutional rights.

Danzig · #96 11-20-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachau...ardTowerB.html

you're right. i didn't know that.

those executions were clearly unprosecuted war crimes.

i do note that the captured guards who weren't executed did get a trial.

not one of our prouder moments as a fighting force. but i can't really say that i feel terrible about it either. but that's the bloodthirsty eye-for-an-eye in me coming out. i cannot begin to imagine what that must have felt like when they entered dachau and found what they found. whoever was in charge should have taken full responsibility. he obviously let his men get out of control, and that's squarely on his shoulders.

Riot · #97 11-20-2009, 11:54 AM

Here's how and why two Bush deputy-assistant attorney generals support Holder's decision, citing how the feds have already successfully prosecuted - and locked up for life - previous terrorists. And some arguments why federal court is better than using military courts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1

timmgirvan · #98 11-20-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

??? Obama has zero to do with this. What he thinks doesn't matter a whit.

Don't kid yourself......Holder is a pansy!

Riot · #99 11-20-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Holder is the attny general under whose watch these people will be tried. Obama is his boss. Are you seeing the connection here?

The connection is that the President, other than appointment, has zero influence (however, look during the second Bush term, which introduced serious questions of illegal influence). Remember Watergate? Even the most lawbreaking President's recourse is pretty much only to fire them.

To accuse the current Executive branch of collusion with the AG is a pretty heavy accusation.

timmgirvan · #**100** 11-20-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

The connection is that the President, other than appointment, has zero influence (however, look during the second Bush term, which introduced serious questions of illegal influence). Remember Watergate? Even the most lawbreaking President's recourse is pretty much only to fire them.

To accuse the current Executive branch of collusion with the AG is a pretty heavy accusation.

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