U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is black isn't he? Or at least half black.

Yeah, the first thing I do is describe Obama as "black lawyer". Like I always mention about McCain off the top, "white Senator".

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Al-Queda has been in these places long before Bush took office. Perhaps you are thinking that we are making an impact in these regions. I don't have the faintest idea why.

I'd guess it's because of what I posted about the AQ the US has killed there in the past year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

As I said, things like aggressively pursuing and taking out very important AQ in Somalia, Pakistan, etc.



Just going by what's public knowledge. Where Bush pursed AQ and how, versus where Obama is pursuing AQ, and how.

You saying so doesn't make it so. Perhaps you choose to believe that somehow the public has 100% knowledge of what is going on in these places. I would think that you would realize that we are only told what they want us to know.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, the first thing I do is describe Obama as "black lawyer". Like I always mention about McCain off the top, "white Senator".

he is white

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" -

Compared to the alternative his middle name is enough for me!!!

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

you really are clueless but in common with the chief?

this Pres relied solely on his intelligence and 7 days after it was common knowledge knows the undy pants bomber was Al Qaada?


PS so happy the idiot who had "a deep understanding of the mid east" as you say, "similar to Obama" finally apologized for being an anti-Semite

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'd guess it's because of what I posted about the AQ the US has killed there in the past year.

Where is the connection between them and where is the comparison to the previous years? Just posting a few stories about some terrorists being taken out or arrested doesnt prove anything except the military and intellegence people over there are still doing thier jobs.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Despite what you and the rest of the bleeding hearts think, we still have lots of bad guys trying to do harm to us. And they dont care if you are sympathetic towards them or a hawk. The idea that Obama has had any impact in quelling the tide of hatred against us in the Middle East is foolish. It is too bad that some innocent people get pulled into the fray. But me and a whole lot of Americans would rather it be their innocent people and not ours.

Strange you mischaracterize me as a "bleeding heart" when I've never posted anything but positive and complete support for our killing terrorists and aggressively pursing them overseas.

Obama is going after AQ aggressively, in places Bush didn't go, and with some good success. He absolutely deserves credit for both not being a "bleeding heart" in the least, and credit for his directing US efforts to other places in pursuit of AQ, with that success.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Riot
As I said, things like aggressively pursuing and taking out very important AQ in Somalia, Pakistan, etc.

Just going by what's public knowledge. Where Bush pursed AQ and how, versus where Obama is pursuing AQ, and how.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You saying so doesn't make it so. Perhaps you choose to believe that somehow the public has 100% knowledge of what is going on in these places. I would think that you would realize that we are only told what they want us to know.

LOL - What part of, "going by public knowledge" didn't you understand? I'm not talking about anything secret. I'm talking about what is public knowledge in the press about where both Presidents placed troops, reports of AQ killed, etc.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you really are clueless but in common with the chief?

this Pres relied solely on his intelligence and 7 days after it was common knowledge knows the undy pants bomber was Al Qaada?


PS so happy the idiot who had "a deep understanding of the mid east" as you say, "similar to Obama" finally apologized for being an anti-Semite

First, the middle line in what you quoted attributed to me wasn't written by me.

Secondly, we are talking about the AQ that were killed in August and September.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Strange you mischaracterize me as a "bleeding heart" when I've never posted anything but positive and complete support for our killing terrorists and aggressively pursing them overseas.

Obama is going after AQ aggressively, in places Bush didn't go, and with some good success. He absolutely deserves credit for both not being a "bleeding heart" in the least, and credit for his directing US efforts to other places in pursuit of AQ, with that success.

I am just wondering why a President who has dwindling favorable ratings and is taking a hit on a area where he was perceived as weak wouldn't be talking about all these successes? The WH has bragged about successes that hardly were and yet you seem to be the only person who knows about all this success against terrorism. Especially in light of the recent security failure.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really don't like that "black" part, do ya?

it does not bother me ..he used the race card to get in office. no big deal
one of my sons friends who is black ships out on the 8th to afganistan..
you really like the 'nutz' part..or not,, not that its wrong.. just pay taxes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - What part of, "going by public knowledge" didn't you understand? I'm not talking about anything secret. I'm talking about what is public knowledge in the press about where both Presidents placed troops, reports of AQ killed, etc.

So perhaps Obama's team is more willing to release news of these reports than Bush was? You are making assumptions based on bits of released information, not on the true data. Maybe we know 99% of what has happened. Maybe we know 9%. There is know way to know.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am just wondering why a President who has dwindling favorable ratings and is taking a hit on a area where he was perceived as weak wouldn't be talking about all these successes? The WH has bragged about successes that hardly were and yet you seem to be the only person who knows about all this success against terrorism. Especially in light of the recent security failure.

I wonder, too, why it's not highlighted. I think it's a huge mistake politically for the Dems not to talk that up. But I think it's obvious the August recess - health care debate - teabaggers anger was far better TV at the time.

Obama's popularity ratings went up 6-10 points (depending upon poll) when healthcare made it through the Senate, last I saw.

I guess I'm "the only person who knows" because I read newspapers and newsites other than Fox News? As you can see if you simply google those names, those incidents I posted (the AQ terrorists taken down) were all over multiple news sites, evening news, etc.

According to what I see - which is why I brought it up in the first place - the perception that Obama is weak in this area certainly doesn't match the reality so far in his administration.

As far as the recent security failure goes, as I've said, I would think there are plenty of inter- and intra- agency screwups to go around.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

it does not bother me ..he used the race card to get in office.

C'mon, Matt, he really didn't, nor did his campaign. He specifically, and most notedly by the historians, completely avoided "the race card" and talking about race during his campaign.

However, many others in the general opposition and fringe did not. One can't call a person "n-----" nowadays, but plenty of opposition called him "the other", "Muslim", "not one of us" , "not really an American", "Kenyan", and brought up Rev. Wright, etc.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

us policy in afganistan is a joke..they are putting lipstick on a pig..he shouldent send anyone if hes only putting 30k in the region.. oh and thats not
going into the 'other ' country right below it..where they will hide at will...

media blackout and some good old fashond black water Inglorious Bastards
action..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I wonder, too, why it's not highlighted. I think it's a huge mistake politically for the Dems not to talk that up. But I think it's obvious the August recess - health care debate - teabaggers anger was far better TV at the time.

Obama's popularity ratings went up 6-10 points (depending upon poll) when healthcare made it through the Senate, last I saw.

I guess I'm "the only person who knows" because I read newspapers and newsites other than Fox News? As you can see if you simply google those names, those incidents I posted (the AQ terrorists taken down) were all over multiple news sites, evening news, etc.

According to what I see - which is why I brought it up in the first place - the perception that Obama is weak in this area certainly doesn't match the reality so far in his administration.

As far as the recent security failure goes, as I've said, I would think there are plenty of inter- and intra- agency screwups to go around.

Perhaps it isnt highlighted because it simply isnt true? That is what logical people might assume.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

C'mon, Matt, he really didn't, nor did his campaign. He specifically, and most notedly by the historians, completely avoided "the race card" and talking about race during his campaign.

However, many others in the general opposition and fringe did not. One can't call a person "n-----" nowadays, but plenty of opposition called him "the other", "Muslim", "not one of us" , "not really an American", "Kenyan", and brought up Rev. Wright, etc.

wait a minute you think he didnt use the race card at all..lmfao

[dellinger63]

Riot FYI
a guy who was at a pay-cash only Dr.'s office today heard the poor Nigerian was just trying to get to Boston to see an Obama cougar w/free digs. And he brought fire in his pants as he heard global warming hasn't hit beantown yet.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So perhaps Obama's team is more willing to release news of these reports than Bush was? You are making assumptions based on bits of released information, not on the true data. Maybe we know 99% of what has happened. Maybe we know 9%. There is know way to know.

I am not making assumptions. I am saying that, only according to the AQ listed as killed during Obama's year so far, and what and where Bush pursued AQ, Obama is doing a good job, and in places Bush never went to.

If you recall, there was great discussion and debate by all candidates about how and where to continue to pursue AQ. Iraq - Iran - everywhere else.

Bush-Cheney was never shy about claiming credit for military success, most certainly not success against AQ. "Mission Accomplished" Nor should they be. Every AQ kill is a credit to America against the scum of the world. We're not the only nation that suffers at AQ hands.

Do you really think the last administration hid any vast secret success against AQ? Secretly killed major AQ operatives and didn't publicize it?

My point is that the characterization of Obama as inactive or ineffective against terrorism is most obviously not true, based upon what has been accomplished to date. He's doing fine. He deserves credit for what he's done so far.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

C'mon, Matt, he really didn't, nor did his campaign. He specifically, and most notedly by the historians, completely avoided "the race card" and talking about race during his campaign.

However, many others in the general opposition and fringe did not. One can't call a person "n-----" nowadays, but plenty of opposition called him "the other", "Muslim", "not one of us" , "not really an American", "Kenyan", and brought up Rev. Wright, etc.

Ah they old "They didnt use the race card" theory. Actually they played it perfectly by accusing anyone who criticized him, of possibly having racial motives. The idea that race wasnt used by the Obama campaign is just missing the point. While there is no doubt that a certain segment of the population is racist, the blanket implication of racism in general terms that was done and continues to be done by the left is also deplorable.