Obama's Oil Spill

Originally Posted by GBBob

I thought you had compared Bush's reaction of 9/11 to Obama's of Day 35 of the BP spill?

There are two different arguements happening here...If you want to say that by now the US Govt should be more involved?..Sure..I can't argue that. But to say that situation is comparable to Katrina or 9/11 or to say it's Obama's Spill is crazy I think. It's just Republican's looking for an edge.

Or it's Independents and Libertarians sick of Mr. Talkie-Talkie and want him to actually do something other than Talkie-Talkie.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Or it's Independents and Libertarians sick of Mr. Talkie-Talkie and want him to actually do something other than Talkie-Talkie.

Then there needs to be more of them because otherwise they will be stuck on the sidelines sending in plays

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry, you'll have to clarify. I do not have a clue what fight you are trying to start, over what

Big clue...

forget it

OK

google france nuclear energy

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Big clue...

forget it

OK

google france nuclear energy

France is France (good for them), this is America. I have already said,

I don't care for nuclear, there are safer ways to make steam

And, no, that doesn't make me "anti- Euro".

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I thought you had compared Bush's reaction of 9/11 to Obama's of Day 35 of the BP spill?

There are two different arguements happening here...If you want to say that by now the US Govt should be more involved?..Sure..I can't argue that. But to say that situation is comparable to Katrina or 9/11 or to say it's Obama's Spill is crazy I think. It's just Republican's looking for an edge.

9-11 - Bush was in charge, never saw it coming, reacted accordingly in a Federal disaster (though the debate on his reaction can certainly be debated until the history of man runneth not to the contrariety)

Katrina - We've been through this - the Constitution? Federal not over running the state's authority (of course that's the convenient draw in)

I don't recall the Mayor of New Orleans, Governor of LA, or any State Senator from the gulf coast playing politics here (like what happened in Katrina)telling the Federal Gov't to stay out... Like what happened in Katrina.

You're boy put foreign interest in charge without any oversight whatsoever. Except the "oversight" of the Interior Dept. that have already been well versed in Chicago politics, sucking up to the money and passing a blind eye to what they've benn entrusted.

This is 100% on you're guy - not only showing how weak our paper tiger gov't is to international corporate oil, but more importantly, what he is made of.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

France is France (good for them), this is America. I have already said, ".

WTF are you talking about? Shouldn't good for them be better for us or are you really ignorant to the U.S.A. v. World in say economics? How about a world health care plan paid by us (U.S.A.)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

WTF are you talking about? Shouldn't good for them be better for us or are you really ignorant to the U.S.A. v. World in say economics? How about a world health care plan paid by us (U.S.A.)

No, I don't think that good nuclear for France means good (better) nuclear for the USA. Said that twice already.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think that good nuclear for France means good (better) nuclear for the USA. Said that twice already.

I get it now, the same as child sex for Muhamad?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I get it now, the same as child sex for Muhamad?

OK i didn't get it but I tried

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

That's exactly the point...less dependancy on oil makes this all unnecessary

Less dependence on oil is a pipedream. Pardon the pun

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Less dependence on oil is a pipedream. Pardon the pun

I can (in Florida...not sure how this would work in other parts) convert my residence to complete solar for 150K... AND store enough energy to SELL energy BACK to Progress Energy (our local electric company).... yet I PAY my electric company to cool my house BY AN OIL FIRED ENERGY PLANT... You hear nothing about this... From the same people in charge getting their pockets lined by big oil....

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Less dependence on oil is a pipedream. Pardon the pun

Disagree

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I can (in Florida...not sure how this would work in other parts) convert my residence to complete solar for 150K... AND store enough energy to SELL energy BACK to Progress Energy (our local electric company).... yet I PAY my electric company to cool my house BY AN OIL FIRED ENERGY PLANT... You hear nothing about this... From the same people in charge getting their pockets lined by big oil....

Wouldnt 150k be considerd a little pricey for the avg American?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Disagree

You can disagree all you want but all those cars need oil and I don't see that changing in our lifetime. But what do you want from me, I am a neanderthal who hates birds and trees, defends the NBA's officiating from rabid (disillusioned?) Celtics fans and shuns public transportation...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Wouldnt 150k be considerd a little pricey for the avg American?

40 inch Plasma TV's were 8K 10 years ago... Of course Solar has been around for decades and Big Oil has squelched any advancements so 150K to run AND sell energy is where we are now....

Of course amortized over 15 years ( given the typical 30 year mortgage) along with the (Obama GREEN) feeble tax incentives, you still would not only be living energy independent, but would actually be making money from your residence...

The last thing they need to hear.

Until Obama sells the Sun.

to BP.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

40 inch Plasma TV's were 8K 10 years ago... Of course Solar has been around for decades and Big Oil has squelched any advancements so 150K to run AND sell energy is where we are now....

Of course amortized over 15 years ( given the typical 30 year mortgage) along with the (Obama GREEN) feeble tax incentives, you still would not only be living energy independent, but would actually be making money from your residence...

The last thing they need to hear.

All very true but doesnt change the fact that our dependence on oil is not ever going to be significantly decreased in our lifetimes without some unforseen technical advance. The fact that the oil barons have the most money isnt going to change.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

All very true but doesnt change the fact that our dependence on oil is not ever going to be significantly decreased in our lifetimes without some unforseen technical advance. The fact that the oil barons have the most money isnt going to change.

I would contend that global development (India, China, Vietnam, etc) is the source of strain on global oil resources that we are experiencing relative to our past.
And perhaps it is all relative; we are using less, but the world is using more. In the 70's and 80's we were sucking it down like water. But then again "Made in the USA" meant something and now it means nothing.... In the face of this, I really think we have definitely made drastic improvements relative to the rest of the planet. Hydrogen fuel cells, solar, wind... it is the only answer - and it MUST occur in our time. The only reason it won't is because it has become a multi-billion dollar cottage to discourage it's development.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I would contend that global development (India, China, Vietnam, etc) is the source of strain on global oil resources that we are experiencing relative to our past.
And perhaps it is all relative; we are using less, but the world is using more. In the 70's and 80's we were sucking it down like water. But then again "Made in the USA" meant something and now it means nothing.... In the face of this, I really think we have definitely made drastic improvements relative to the rest of the planet. Hydrogen fuel cells, solar, wind... it is the only answer - and it MUST occur in our time. The only reason it won't is because it has become a multi-billion dollar cottage to discourage it's development.

Call me a pessimist but I think that those forms of energy are but a flea on the giant dog's ass of energy consumption.

Wind energy is used to produce electricity. Oil produces less than 2.5% of our electricity. The vast majority of electricity produced in the US is from coal fired plants, nuclear power plants and natural gas.

Solar Energy is cost prohibitive as we have seen.

Hydrogen fuels cells are promising but a long ways away from being a factor.

The fact is that we aren't going to be reducing in any significant manner the use of automobiles which is where the oil turned gas is going.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

John Mankins.

The whores in Washington won't fund it. I wonder why.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree completely with, "why the heck is this still going on, why has nothing been done" - I'm furious over that.

But the trouble is, regarding "the government taking over": what is the government supposed to do after they "take over"? Serious question. They've been "supervising" BP - the government doesn't have the equipment, or the manpower, or the technology (not that BP specifically does, they are winging it at this depth). I suppose one could scream at BP louder? It's obvious BP could care less about the environmental damage in any sense other than PR and fines. I think the only thing that could have been done by the government was get on BP faster, more quickly, about their covering up the amount of spilled oil; bring in independent scientists sooner as government agents? I thought that happened after two weeks, I could be wrong.

I heard that there are oil company tankers (sitting full of oil) that Obama could command to the area to take up spilled oil from the surface (they can separate out the water/oil), but what do they do with the thousands of gallons of oil already on board (they would have to empty out somewhere, somehow, first), and can the President commandeer private property? (I assume he could in a national disaster, don't know)

i find it hard to believe that the Navy doesnt have any technology that would seriously help plugging this leak. but thats just me.