8/29 (SAR): Personal Ensign S. (G1) - Page 5

The Indomitable DrugS · #81 08-29-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

And Rachel was IN FRONT of the suicide mission horse...

I know - just as Xtra Heat was in front of the suicide mission Harmony Lodge in the Test.

CSC · #82 08-29-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

It'll ALL be about who Z is DUCKING, trust me.

The classic is out, I can't see them throwing her in at 1 1/4 again, the pace scenario will be alot more challenging at CD.

dagolfer33 · #83 08-29-2010, 06:17 PM

I just heard all the Z haters breathe a collective sigh of relief. Now we will never get to see the beatdown....ah...I mean the matchup in the classic.

ateamstupid · #84 08-29-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race doesn't prove she has distance limitations.

Life At Ten went on a suicide mission.

The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top. Let's say it's not stamina that limits her, she's still going to lose top races at 10 furlongs because she's unable to lay off the lead far enough where she won't be gassed by the last 1/8 if they go quick early.

RockHardTen1985 · #85 08-29-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I just heard all the Z haters breathe a collective sigh of relief. Now we will never get to see the beatdown....ah...I mean the matchup in the classic.

Z's connections are pitiful. She wins this race by, hmmm 15 if she comes.

the_fat_man · #86 08-29-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

The classic is out, I can't see them throwing her in at 1 1/4 again, the pace scenario will be alot more challenging at CD.

What are you delusional? When was the CLASSIC ever IN? Wasn't it clear she was done when Little Z bounced her? It was the SPIN by the BEYERITES, who desperately needed her to return to some semblance of last year's form, especially after their other darling, QR, got beat, that kept that CLASSIC talk for her going. She NEVER had a shot in the Classic.

pba1817 · #87 08-29-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I know - just as Xtra Heat was in front of the suicide mission Harmony Lodge in the Test.

WTF does that have anything to do here? The Test is a 7f sprint, not a 1 1/4.

CSC · #88 08-29-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Excuses for your pick - the Marty Wolfson horse who got the trip of a lifetime off of a mind-boggling pace battle and still couldn't hit the board?

Yeah, I had the right idea but I went against my own wisdom of betting Wolfson horses away from Florida. Atleast I put my money inline with my opinions, I thought they were overbet and overrated and I should have bet the all button to win other than the 2 favs, that was my mistake. What can I say, I didn't think the Phipps horse could jump up that much, but I did give her a 2nd look and I still couldn't make a case for her.

CSC · #89 08-29-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you delusional? When was the CLASSIC ever IN? Wasn't it clear she was done when Little Z bounced her? It was the SPIN by the BEYERITES, who desperately needed her to return to some semblance of last year's form, especially after their other darling, QR, got beat, that kept that CLASSIC talk for her going. She NEVER had a shot in the Classic.

This is Derbytrial isn't it? She will be heading for the classic until Jess invents a palatable excuse not to.

King Glorious · #90 08-29-2010, 06:29 PM

She has none of the accelleration she used to have. It wasn't the 10f that got her beat. It's that she's taken a couple of steps back. If this race had been 9f, she might have won it but it wouldn't have been anything like what we saw from her last year. Running like this, she wouldn't win the Distaff. She's a shadow of her former self. They went 1:12.02 and 1:37.54 That's hardly suicidal. Even going that slow, she had nothing left. The final was 2:04.49 so it took her over 27 seconds for her final quarter. They actually made Afleet Express look like he was flying.

CSC · #91 08-29-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Z's connections are pitiful. She wins this race by, hmmm 15 if she comes.

She wins by a measured head not 15, you should know this by now, she runs down to her competition. She's too nice, she doesn't want to embaress either filly by being lumped in with St. Trinians...oh wrong horse she is actually just above average, anyway you get the idea.

dagolfer33 · #92 08-29-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Z's connections are pitiful. She wins this race by, hmmm 15 if she comes.

F the connections of both horses, to me the connections are a wash.

10 pnt move up · #93 08-29-2010, 06:36 PM

The Beyer just came back, looks like 111. See SHE never can run slow.

Hey we found a winner who can run a slower race than Richards Kid, who knew.

The Indomitable DrugS · #94 08-29-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The splits were not quick and she lost to a horse with an 85 Beyer top.

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

RockHardTen1985 · #95 08-29-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

The Indomitable DrugS · #96 08-29-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

WTF does that have anything to do here? The Test is a 7f sprint, not a 1 1/4.

It's called trip handicapping. The people here who gave Admiral Alex a shot to finish in the top half of the field in the Travers ought to look into it.

The Indomitable DrugS · #97 08-29-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

And that 92 is the stuff champions are made of.

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

ateamstupid · #98 08-29-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace - at the six furlong call - was 27 full points faster than the final time.

So - let's get very conservative and say Persistantly just ran to her 85 Beyer last time out (which came with a 3wide first turn and 5 wide 2nd turn trip - in a race with a lot less pace to set her up)

That would make the pace figure for six furlongs a 112... and you don't get any more conservative than that... the number is probably a lot higher.

When you run a 112 pace figure - with intense head-to-head pressure from the start - you're going to stop at some point.

Assuming you want to go with a 112-85 for this race. That means Life At Ten ran a pace figure of 111 and a final figure of in the mid 70's.

This pace figure is most likely about a 120-to-123 and Persistantly's winning Beyer is about a 92-to-95.

The fact that she crawled home doesn't mean it was a fast pace relative to the speed of the track. And your pace figure dissertation doesn't explain why she's likely to ever get 10 furlongs in a top class race.

10 pnt move up · #99 08-29-2010, 06:45 PM

Little confused why Borel felt the need to send no matter what. So he guns against an inferior speed horse, if that horse goes he has no choice once committing, if he sits back and feels they are going too slow then he can send. Not sure that was a good tactic.

Still you craaaaaaaaaaaaaawl home like that you should win against the likes of persistently.

RockHardTen1985 · #**100** 08-29-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Persistantly did not run the same pace figure RA and Life At Ten did - she was back in another county.

I just crushed the 11th, Im going to dinner. I dont even care. Rachel is really good and has distance trouble. Even the ICE COLD WIZZARD called it out. Just because you or Andy or anyone says no, does not mean its not true. Does class not matter anymore? She cant hold off that horse? I dont care if she went 46-109 with the clear lead in stretch she is supposed to win, AND SHE COULD NOT.