Rand Paul, intolerant loser

And he will be punished for it.

We just fundamentally disagree on the human condition...correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that humans, for the most part, are lousy and beyond changing. You seem to believe that this can change and expect the best out of everyone.

Well it would be nice. I'd like to live like a polygamist without the religion and inbreeding but realize it's never going to happen...just like humans will never be truly civilized.

[Riot]

Here's what MoveOn.org does: They dress up like businessmen and hold up signs. They don't yell, don't provoke, they are completely passive. The woman was holding the "Rand Paul Employee of The Month" sign.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moveon/...44709765/show/

This showed these Rand Paul supporters involved in KY for exactly what they are - intolerant, physically violent losers. Wearing "Don't Tread On Me" stickers. Hypocritical morons who talk one story about liberty and freedom, yet physically assault a passive woman holding a sign they don't like at a public rally.

The conversation should be about how much people like Sharron Angle and Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck should take responsibility for ginning up the base to physical violence and "Second Amendment Remedies" if the democratic political process doesn't turn out the way they want.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

And he will be punished for it.

We just fundamentally disagree on the human condition...correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that humans, for the most part, are lousy and beyond changing. You seem to believe that this can change and expect the best out of everyone.

Well it would be nice. I'd like to live like a polygamist without the religion and inbreeding but realize it's never going to happen...just like humans will never be truly civilized.

I agree that lots of humans are lousy and pitiful...but I don't believe that that's an excuse for violence or not having to be responsible for it.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I agree that lots of humans are lousy and pitiful...but I don't believe that that's an excuse for violence or not having to be responsible for it.

Yeah because violence is something new to humans. It just started since Obama got in office. Throughout history people were rational and non-violent.

Get the f.uck out of here with that Pollyanna bulls.hit.

And he will be held responsible for his actions and will be punished accordingly.

[Riot]

This is looking worse all the time. Here's the Rand Paul campaign worker, Tim Profitt, who stomped her in the head.

The Daily News is reporting he is the Rand Paul Bourbon Country campaign coordinator, and he was fired from that position today.

And it now starts to look like it was deliberate and premeditated.

He's blaming the police for not preventing it. Because he says they already knew the woman, and all about MoveOn, and they didn't like her at the rallies, what she does, etc (the politics)



And yes charges have been filed. Here's the article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_774285.html

A volunteer with Rand Paul's Senate campaign has admitted to placing his shoe firmly on the face of a MoveOn.org volunteer outside a Senate debate on Monday night, but insisted that the camera angle of the footage that captured the altercation made the scuffle look worse than it was.

Tim Profitt apologized for the incident in a statement sent to a local AP reporter. But he also criticized the police for not stepping in to calm down the crowd and argued that other supporters had previously warned authorities about the MoveOn activist, Lauren Valle.

(See Valle's recounting of the event below)

Profitt is not, it appears, a random campaign volunteer. Almost immediately after admitting his role, a picture of him and Paul surfaced.

The local blog Barefoot and Progressive also noted that the Paul campaign once touted Profitt's endorsement in a newspaper ad.

A spokesman for the Lexington Police Department said on Tuesday afternoon that "Mr. Profitt is currently being served with a criminal summons ordering him to appear before a Fayette County District Court Judge."

UPDATE: On Tuesday, Lauren Valle spoke for the first time since being thrust into the center of an alarming campaign fracas. Valle said that she recognized the Paul supporters who went after her and felt frightened almost immediately after they claimed they were there to do "crowd control." Her treatment, she said, was "premeditated."

I have been at a bunch of events before, the previous debate, and the Rand Paul campaign knows me and they have expressed their distastes for my work before. What happened last night was that about five minutes before Rand Paul's car arrived they identified me and my partner, Alex, who was with me. They surrounded me. There was five of them. They motioned to each other and got behind me. My partner Alex heard them say 'We are here to do crowd control we might have to take someone out.'

When Rand Paul's car arrived a couple of them stepped in front of me so I stepped off the curb to get around them to get back out front. At that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit. The footage is after I've run all the way around the car and I'm in front of the car and that is when they took me down. One or two people twisted my arms behind my back and took me down... It was about two-to-three second after that that another person stomped on my head. And I lay there for 20 seconds or so and my partner Alex came and got me up and that's the point where there is the media clip of me speaking.

Valle, who is going on MSNBC's Countdown With Keith Olbermann Tuesday night to discuss the event, said that the closest she got to Paul was "about five feet away" and that was only because she was running from the crowd.

As for the notion that she was kicked on the neck, not the head, she replied: "My memory of them is sort of that of a traumatized person. I think it was my head. My head is in a lot of pain today, my neck is kind of kinked. But I distinctly remember a blow to my head."

Addressing the next steps that she will take legally, she offered the following: "I was questioned by the police for about an hour and then afterwards I did file an assault complaint... I think it's public, one of the people has been identified and he ... works for the campaign and there will be further legal action taken. I'm not sure what it is called, but the detectives are moving forward with the case."

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah because violence is something new to humans. It just started since Obama got in office. Throughout history people were rational and non-violent.

Get the f.uck out of here with that Pollyanna bulls.hit.

And he will be held responsible for his actions and will be punished accordingly.

Well that was a cogent, and completely honest paraphrase of what I said.

Or not even close at all, but that doesn't really matter, I suppose.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well that was a cogent, and completely honest paraphrase of what I said.

Or not even close at all, but that doesn't really matter, I suppose.

Just go in public and talk to 100 people like you're doing now and see if you don't get punched in the face.

You're just a huge piece of s.hit.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Just go in public and talk to 100 people like you're doing now and see if you don't get punched in the face.

You're just a huge piece of s.hit.

Well certainly if I went to a Rand Paul rally, I'd have problems, if your constant apologies for violent behavior are any indication, these types of people are certainly out there, and perhaps more than even I knew, what when typically rational people like yourself see nothing wrong with chalking sh.itheads and their violence up to the human condition, no more, no less.

But I know for a fact that there are actually also people out there who believe in the absolutely audacious idea that even if people hate each other, they shouldn't hit, rape, kill, or injure one another.

It's a tough thing to manage to be decent...even when decent is defined in the most narrow way to just mean don't physically hurt other people.

Offensive and totally outrageous ideas from the fringe of basic human decency, I know, and I'm sorry for having put you through the trouble of reading them when I could've just been saying the not simple and not dense ideas of "oh, he stepped on her head? Well he didn't kill her! And she was wearing a wig and trying to get a picture -- the human condition says that this makes perfect sense and she totally deserved it!!11!1!"

Jesus H.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well certainly if I went to a Rand Paul rally, I'd have problems, if your constant apologies for violent behavior are any indication, these types of people are certainly out there, and perhaps more than even I knew, what when typically rational people like yourself see nothing wrong with chalking sh.itheads and their violence up to the human condition, no more, no less.

So because I'm aware of gray areas in certain situations I'm apologizing for the behavior? Sure thing.

They are two s.hitheads trying to one up each other. Sort of like what we're doing but on a much more primitive level.

I assure you there are many people like Tim in Chicago who have little patience with provokers. It's not exclusive to Kentucky.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

But I know for a fact that there are actually also people out there who believe in the absolutely audacious idea that even if people hate each other, they shouldn't hit, rape, kill, or injure one another.

Just like there are people out there who realize that if you put on a wig and act like a provoking douchenozzle enough times that the law of averages could lead to said provoker getting roughed up by another provoking douchenozzle with a different viewpoint.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It's a tough thing to manage to be decent...even when decent is defined in the most narrow way to just mean don't physically hurt other people.

The day humans stop being physically violent is the day the aliens come back and wipe the majority of us out and reboot.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Offensive and totally outrageous ideas from the fringe of basic human decency, I know, and I'm sorry for having put you through the trouble of reading them when I could've just been saying the not simple and not dense ideas of "oh, he stepped on her head? Well he didn't kill her! And she was wearing a wig and trying to get a picture -- the human condition says that this makes perfect sense and she totally deserved it!!11!1!"

Jesus H.

That's totally what I said.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's totally what I said.

Didn't realize you started caring about honest paraphrasing in the last hour. Neat how that works.

Though I am starting to get the hang of this thing you're doing -- it seems as if people believe the way you do, they'll view it as a free pass to be jerks towards other people in their day to day routine and never fear any consequences or have to take responsibility. Perhaps Tim also feels the same way.

If you go through life assuming all people are bad, all people are potentially violent, and all people have no goodwill to offer and no ability to restrain themselves from hurting other people -- then what's the point in even trying to act like a decent human being to other people, right? I mean, they're all pitiful, bad, nasty, violent creatures anyway, so there's no point in being any different because they're going to do what they do anyway, so just even bothering to have a bare minimum of basic decency towards each other is a totally futile endeavor.

That's certainly not the world I live in. Then again, I'm not a violent pent-up anger ball waiting to explode and hurt other people like Tim and his apologists, but thanks for opening my eyes that the rest of the world views it this way and would punch me in the face for daring to believe otherwise. Strange that I don't really ever experience this as a matter of course in my day to day life considering how sure you are that it's just how the world works dictated by the human condition and having just given up on bothering to be any better than it.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Didn't realize you started caring about honest paraphrasing in the last hour. Neat how that works.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Though I am starting to get the hang of this thing you're doing -- it seems as if people believe the way you do, they'll view it as a free pass to be jerks towards other people in their day to day routine and never fear any consequences or have to take responsibility. Perhaps Tim also feels the same way.

I know the Moveon.org paid victim feels that way.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

If you go through life assuming all people are bad, all people are potentially violent, and all people have no goodwill to offer and no ability to restrain themselves from hurting other people -- then what's the point in even trying to act like a decent human being to other people, right? I mean, they're all pitiful, bad, nasty, violent creatures anyway, so there's no point in being any different because they're going to do what they do anyway, so just even bothering to have a bare minimum of basic decency towards each other is a totally futile endeavor.

I said most people are lousy. I didn't go into detail about how many of those lousy people would be violent but common sense would tell you it wouldn't be all of them.

So because most people are lousy it's ok to be as well? That's novel.

How about just having some basic awareness that putting on a wig, making a sign with glitter and markers, traveling to another state and trying to harass a politician for selfish reasons could lead to a situation that might get completely out of hand.

Where was her decency?

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That's certainly not the world I live in. Then again, I'm not a violent pent-up anger ball waiting to explode and hurt other people like Tim and his apologists, but thanks for opening my eyes that the rest of the world views it this way and would punch me in the face for daring to believe otherwise. Strange that I don't really ever experience this as a matter of course in my day to day life considering how sure you are that it's just how the world works dictated by the human condition and having just given up on bothering to be any better than it.

Maybe the people you talk down to in real life are intimidated by your greatness after viewing your myspace music page.

Have a good one, bia

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Maybe the people you talk down to in real life are intimidated by your greatness after viewing your myspace music page.

Have a good one, bia

Awwwww, that's cute. Typical to not be able to keep it on topic when you're just acting like an a.hole and making excuses for a man who got violent towards a woman. Noble, too. Make it personal, stop talking about the actual point, and take a dig at the person from their past and not what they're saying. At least find something current, would you?

I always appreciate your good-faith attitude that you have when talking to other people. It's rather refreshing. Have a good night. Wait, was saying have a good night too close to Polyanna for you and the rest of the dangerous, violent society? Should I double lock my doors so nobody blasts in and punches me in the face for it?

Jeez, you've got me on edge now thinking that my general good faith in people is going to get me punched just for being nice!

[clyde]

Everyone go to bed!!



GoodNightypoo-kins has sounded!

[Antitrust32]

After reading the moveon womans' account of the events, it looks like both parties are at fault.

In no way could it seem like it is premeditated (the pushing her to the ground thing). You can tell by the description exactly what both sides intention were.

The move on bitc.h had one purpose.. and it wasnt innocent. Her goal was to be as close to Paul as possible and get a picture of him with her stupid sign in the background so she could use it as propaganda.

Once the dumb-ass Paul supporters saw her, they knew exactly what her intent was. They did not agree with her purpose and wanted to stop it. So they did a non-violent act and stood infront of her when Paul drove up so she couldnt get her dumb sign in the picture.

She, being a crazy bitc.h like it seems she is (only crazy bitc.hes travel around the country with stupid signs), she decides to highten the situation and run around the people who stood in front of her to block the sign.. and run in the direction of Paul. If she would have just stayed where she was, and didnt run around towards Rand Paul, I would bet a lot of $ she would have not been pushed to the ground.

So then the dumbass Paul supporters take off after the crazy bitc.h & the rest is history. No man ever has the right push a woman to the ground, & there is no doubt that those few Paul supporters were dumbasses. But the moveon bitc.h is certainly no way innocent. She provoked the incident and ususally when people take off running towards a politician they end up on the ground. Both parties involved are epic failures.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

After reading the moveon womans' account of the events, it looks like both parties are at fault.

In no way could it seem like it is premeditated (the pushing her to the ground thing). You can tell by the description exactly what both sides intention were.

The move on bitc.h had one purpose.. and it wasnt innocent. Her goal was to be as close to Paul as possible and get a picture of him with her stupid sign in the background so she could use it as propaganda.

Once the dumb-ass Paul supporters saw her, they knew exactly what her intent was. They did not agree with her purpose and wanted to stop it. So they did a non-violent act and stood infront of her when Paul drove up so she couldnt get her dumb sign in the picture.

She, being a crazy bitc.h like it seems she is (only crazy bitc.hes travel around the country with stupid signs), she decides to highten the situation and run around the people who stood in front of her to block the sign.. and run in the direction of Paul. If she would have just stayed where she was, and didnt run around towards Rand Paul, I would bet a lot of $ she would have not been pushed to the ground.

So then the dumbass Paul supporters take off after the crazy bitc.h & the rest is history. No man ever has the right push a woman to the ground, & there is no doubt that those few Paul supporters were dumbasses. But the moveon bitc.h is certainly no way innocent. She provoked the incident and ususally when people take off running towards a politician they end up on the ground. Both parties involved are epic failures.

[geeker2]

I'm not saying he should'a stomped her....

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/ch...19h8S3VukVX-Rw

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The day humans stop being physically violent is the day the aliens come back and wipe the majority of us out and reboot.

[geeker2]

Update to this story - there is now another video showing this lady shoving her sign into Rand's car window right before she was taken down...

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I agree that lots of humans are lousy and pitiful...but I don't believe that that's an excuse for violence or not having to be responsible for it.

Violence isn't the solution to problems, it just adds to the problem. I guess human beings feel that violence is a solution to problems without thinking what the repurcussions might be.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

Kill him.