Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Insurance costs have been increasing double digits for several years - it's just more of the same gouging by the insurance companies, and blaming it on something else. The provisions in the healthcare act that would help this won't kick in for another 2 years.

That is only like 1/8th true.

sure the premiums rise a little every year.

but you are leaving out the fact that they ELIMINATED 66% of the plans we could choose from, leaving us with only a very high deductible plan.. and obamacare gave them the reason and permission to do this.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i won't hold my breath waiting to see any 'benefits'. i'm one of the people who pays for all the stuff that others hold their hand out for, who think it's their right. matter of fact, i get one day off this week instead of two. i'm such an idiot.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, speak up, instead of simply dissing my opinion and acting put upon. You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it. And then you diss my answer about how to go about it. Actually, you didn't diss the answer, you just dissed me, without offering any counterpoint or other opinion. I'm looking at it from the professional side. My opinion isn't invalid - it's shared by alot of physicians I know and talk with.

What do your physician recruiters find as the primary inability to hire professionals? Care to actually add something of substance to the conversation? You said you have a whole team that reports to you: what do they say?

Either you really do want to discuss doctor shortages, or you're just into schoolyard clique building.

this was not a classy or nice post Riot. I thought you like high roads?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this was not a classy or nice post Riot. I thought you like high roads?

I don't take undeserved, unfair snark.

You feel free to do what you want for your own self.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I have no choice... its the only thing offered through work and it is way cheaper than purchasing it privately still.

of course the insurance company is shady, but Obamacare gave them a reason to become shadier. they site the cadallac tax, which doesnt even come into effect until like 2018 or something.. and my plan is more like a 1995 dodge intrepid instead of a damn caddy!

And the above is why I wish there was a public option, that would put pressure on everyone to keep costs low and competitive.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't take undeserved, unfair snark.

You feel free to do what you want for your own self.

I personally feel like we should use the unwanted embryo's that will just be thrown out at the fertility clinics anyway and make them into doctors.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

They will just make more doctors. It's easy to make more doctors. .

trying to figure out how to quote multiple posts!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

They will just make more doctors. It's easy to make more doctors. .

Originally Posted by Riot

You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it.
.

okay i think i figured out the multi quote post thing now.

I think my turning embryo's into doctors plan might work. maybe trackrat can bring up that idea? it is easy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

okay i think i figured out the multi quote post thing now..

No, you didn't. What I agreed with Trackrat about was that there is predicted a doctors shortage.

[timmgirvan]

the shortage of Drs will be exacerbated by the experienced Docs leaving their practices. The bill shows a 231 bil deficit in what Docs are to be paid for their services by Big Brother.

[Riot]

the shortage of Drs will be exacerbated by the experienced Docs leaving their practices.

As doctors get paid more fairly, as insurance companies lose their current control over dictating the practice of medicine, there will be more doctors.

The bill shows a 231 bil deficit in what Docs are to be paid for their services by Big Brother.

Don't quite understand what you are talking about in the above sentence. Try again.

Do you think that a possible doctors shortage would be a reason to not try and get an additional 30 million Americans insured?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

As doctors get paid more fairly, as insurance companies lose their current control over dictating the practice of medicine, there will be more doctors.



Don't quite understand what you are talking about in the above sentence. Try again.

Do you think that a possible doctors shortage would be a reason to not try and get an additional 30 million Americans insured?

There is a 231 bil shortfall in the monies proposed to pay Drs.
No

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this was not a classy or nice post Riot. I thought you like high roads?

Have you forgotten that Riot knows everything?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you forgotten that Riot knows everything?

it really didn't work all that well the first time.

sure it was a high point in wit for you but repeating it just reinforces the special needs vibe.

i'm talking to a tree stump again, aren't i? or is it a rock this time?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

As doctors get paid more fairly, as insurance companies lose their current control over dictating the practice of medicine, there will be more doctors.
?

are you f-ing kidding me????

there is nothing that doctors hate more than having to accept medicare.

Medicare = government insurance

Doctors hate it because reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork is too much of a hassle.

I asked my friend and dentist awhile back if he takes medicare/medicade.

He said no and explained: Compare my service to buying a burger. It costs $1 for the materials to make it. it costs another $1 to pay the employees to make it. It costs $2 to maintain the resteraunt and by insurance for the resteraunt. The final $1 is for profit.

So I need to sell the burger for $5 to have a business that can make it. Now the government comes in and says I can only be reimbursed $1 for that burger... so I'm out $4.

If you think this bill will encourage young bring minds to become doctors, you are more clueless than ever thought before.

But then again you think its "easy to make" doctors.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it really didn't work all that well the first time.

sure it was a high point in wit for you but repeating it just reinforces the special needs vibe.

i'm talking to a tree stump again, aren't i? or is it a rock this time?

I honestly think that Nascar is just as smart as Riot or smarter. He goofs up his words, but at least he doesnt pretend to know every single thing about every single occurance that has happened in the history of this world.

[Antitrust32]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/3...ex.html?hpt=T2

good opinion piece

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it really didn't work all that well the first time.

sure it was a high point in wit for you but repeating it just reinforces the special needs vibe.

i'm talking to a tree stump again, aren't i? or is it a rock this time?

Your choice.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

That is only like 1/8th true.

sure the premiums rise a little every year.

but you are leaving out the fact that they ELIMINATED 66% of the plans we could choose from, leaving us with only a very high deductible plan.. and obamacare gave them the reason and permission to do this.

Riot actually left something out? That's a surprise. Wonder if Riot read this health care bill page for page? Im still waiting for that answer. Maybe Riot just read the stuff that would be beneficial to Riot. That wouldn't surprise me.