A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.


voters have to show i.d. to register. so obviously all registered voters have id. so why is it so hard for them to produce said i.d. on election day??????

Because the new restrictive voter ID laws say that on election day, voters are not allowed to vote with a copy of current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter.

Even if a poll worker recognizes, you, and knows you, and knows where you live, you cannot vote without your photo ID in some of these states. That is simply WRONG, to require more stringent requirements to vote on election day, than it takes to register to vote. That's absurd. And discriminatory.

[bigrun]

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...

[Antitrust32]

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...

Good grief. There is so much published on "voter fraud", one just has to google it, to see it is virtually non-existent nowadays.

And the fraud that is there is usually due to poll workers, NOT people pretending to be who they are not voting.

The Southern Strategy lives, as does Voter Disinfranchisement. The ultra-cons hated the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and they are still fighting it.

Best tweet of the day Saturday:

"Democrats, don't forget to set your clocks forward an hour tonight. Republicans, don't forget to set your clocks back 200 years."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are. it's got nothing to do with constitutionality, obviously they don't care about that ol' piece of paper.

almost 500 views on this thread, about 1/3 that many on the u.s. can kill it's own thread. but this issue is so much more important, especially since the other doesn't exactly paint dem. politicians in a good light.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are.

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

Why wouldn't the democrats spend their time, money and efforts in helping this so called group of disenfranchised voters obtain an ID instead of spending all their time, money, etc fighting it. Wouldn't that actually make sense? Government provides free state IDs to those who need it. Why not set up free state ID day, etc. and set up places all across the state to obtain an ID for any who need them

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Second Wisconsin Judge permanently blocks WI Voter ID law as unconstitutional:

Madison - A Dane County judge permanently enjoined the state's new voter ID law on Monday - the second judge in a week to block the requirement that voters show photo identification at the polls.

Monday's ruling by Dane County Judge Richard Niess goes further than the one issued by another judge last week because it permanently halts the law. Tuesday's order by Dane County Judge David Flanagan blocked the law for the April 3 presidential primary and local elections, but not beyond that.

The latest order may make it harder for the state to put the voter ID law into effect before the April 3 election because it would have to win two appeals in less than four weeks. Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen has asked for a stay of the earlier order, and he is expected to appeal it this week.

Whether Wisconsin's photo ID law will stand is widely considered to be decided by a higher court. There are four lawsuits pending against it - two in Dane County court and two in federal court in Milwaukee.

The rulings come just weeks before likely recall elections for four Republican state senators. Recall elections are also likely for Gov. Scott Walker and Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch, but they have not yet been ordered.

The decision came the same day the U.S. Department of Justice blocked Texas' voter ID law, which it said would disproportionately affect Hispanic voters because they are less likely to have appropriate identification.

More at http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...142307425.html

shocking news

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Why wouldn't the democrats spend their time, money and efforts in helping this so called group of disenfranchised voters obtain an ID instead of spending all their time, money, etc fighting it.

1) Because we have a Constitution giving all citizens the same freedoms, and anti-constitutional things must be fought. And they are being fought. And they are being overturned as unconstitutional.

2) Yes, the Dems are trying to help people get voter ID's from what I can see.

Why not set up free state ID day, etc. and set up places all across the state to obtain an ID for any who need them

The law has today been overturned as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State Constitution. Not needed.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

1) Because we have a Constitution giving all citizens the same freedoms, and anti-constitutional things must be fought. And they are being fought. And they are being overturned as unconstitutional.

2) Yes, the Dems are trying to help people get voter ID's from what I can see.



The law has today been overturned as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State Constitution. Not needed.

We have a constitutional right to own a gun yet you can't get one without an ID. Isn't that same segment disenfranchised from owning a gun?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Best tweet of the day Saturday:

"Democrats, don't forget to set your clocks forward an hour tonight. Republicans, don't forget to set your clocks back 200 years."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

We have a constitutional right to own a gun yet you can't get one without an ID. Isn't that same segment disenfranchised from owning a gun?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the judges that just overturned the voting ID law as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State constitution.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

[Riot]

"A government that undermines the very foundation of its existence - the people's inherent, pre-constitutional right to vote - imperils its legitimacy as a government by the people, for the people, and especially of the people," said the eight-page opinion by Dane County Judge Richard Niess.

"It sows the seeds for its own demise as a democratic institution. This is precisely what 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 does with its photo ID mandates."

Niess' opinion in it's entirety, here:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/voteridruling.pdf

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

Well, that would be a really stupid guess.

I am amazed, at people who put everything into a political-hate view. What is wrong with you? What a sad way to live, with such hate, distrust, and anger.

I've worried about what is being dumped into Lake Michigan since the 1960's, thanks. Grew up drinking Lake Michigan water in northern Illinois.

And my family has owned and lived on that Racine land (not "invested") ... well, since it had about 100 yards more beachfront.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

i wonder if obama checked i.d. before they killed that us citizen in yemen? wonder how that all stands constitutionally??

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, that would be a really stupid guess.

I am amazed, at people who put everything into a political-hate view. What is wrong with you? What a sad way to live, with such hate, distrust, and anger.

I've worried about what is being dumped into Lake Michigan since the 1960's, thanks. Grew up drinking Lake Michigan water in northern Illinois.

And my family has owned and lived on that Racine land (not "invested") ... well, since it had about 100 yards more beachfront.

No hate on my side. I am not the one who takes everything my govenor does and spews hatred. I have no hate for the left or the democrats. That is coming from your side not mine. I disagree with a lot of the democrats in my state and I have seen what they have done to our state. I disagree with many of their arguments and points of view. No hate though. I am not the one calling my govenor a crook, the devil and just hoping that he gets put in jail. I don't point out every time a democrat does something bad or illegal in my state and post threads about their every actions. I actually want my state to suceed, prosper and grow. I want things to be good. I want unemployment to decrease. I want businesses to want to come to WI. I want my property taxes to decrease or stay flat. I want to keep agriculture, manufacturing, etc in my state. I do not hope for bad news. I don't care if the person in office is white, black, hispanic, male, female, democrat, republican etc. I want my elected officials to have the best interest of the majority of the people of WI in mind and do what is right for WI. We have excellent representatives on the National level from our state who are speaking the Truth and challenging both democrats and republicans (see Paul Ryan and Ron Johnnson). I also believe that Scott Walker has done a lot of good for our state and we are starting to see some of those benefits (they take time to go into effect) I do not want our country or my state to go down the path that Greece did or the state of California or Illinois. No hate though. Try looking somewhere else for your hate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

No hate on my side. I am not the one who takes everything my govenor does and spews hatred. I have no hate for the left or the democrats. That is coming from your side not mine. I disagree with a lot of the democrats in my state and I have seen what they have done to our state. I disagree with many of their arguments and points of view. No hate though. I am not the one calling my govenor a crook, the devil and just hoping that he gets put in jail. I don't point out every time a democrat does something bad or illegal in my state and post threads about their every actions. I actually want my state to suceed, prosper and grow. I want things to be good. I want unemployment to decrease. I want businesses to want to come to WI. I want my property taxes to decrease or stay flat. I want to keep agriculture, manufacturing, etc in my state. I do not hope for bad news. I don't care if the person in office is white, black, hispanic, male, female, democrat, republican etc. I want my elected officials to have the best interest of the majority of the people of WI in mind and do what is right for WI. We have excellent representatives on the National level from our state who are speaking the Truth and challenging both democrats and republicans (see Paul Ryan and Ron Johnnson). I also believe that Scott Walker has done a lot of good for our state and we are starting to see some of those benefits (they take time to go into effect) I do not want our country or my state to go down the path that Greece did or the state of California or Illinois. No hate though. Try looking somewhere else for your hate.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable

What will be your excuse if Walker ends up charged with a crime during the John Doe investigation? That it's all a Democratic plot?

What is your explanation for Walker not correcting the massive budget deficit he inherited? What is the excuse for his own budget being 140 million in the hole? What is the excuse for 7 straight months of job loss in Wisconsin, 49th in the nation?

What you pretend to want for Wisconsin, and what you actually support, are opposites. If a Democratic Gov. was currently doing the above, your head would be exploding, and you know it. If you were truly impartial for your wishes for Wisconsin, you'd acknowledge the above has happened, rather than try and deny and justify it.

BTW - Paul Ryan's federal budget plan would add trillions to our debt. And that's not a "democratic" nor a "republican" opinion, it's just fact.