Top 25 Most Overrated Performances of '06 - Page 5

blackthroatedwind · #81 12-18-2006, 01:54 PM

I just consult Abe's lists.

cmorioles · #82 12-18-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Strong Contender: Overrated Horse of the Year. Should be a special Eclipse award for that one.

There were much more overrated horses than this one. Fleet Indian, Lava Man, Brother Derek, Giacomo, Henny Hughes come immediately to mind. You can then add Lawyer Ron, Jazil, and my personal selection, Sweetnorthernsaint, who actually went off favored in the Derby somehow.

Bystander · #83 12-18-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Aristocrat, and I know your joking, got a curiously idiotic ride. What the hell was he doing on the pace? He is a closing sprinter!

Wait, I just figured it out, Dixie must have given the jockey his instructions!

Naw, I talked to Bobby. Suggested he mix things up with the colt. Oh well.

philcski · #84 12-18-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were much more overrated horses than this one. Fleet Indian, Lava Man, Brother Derek, Giacomo, Henny Hughes come immediately to mind. You can then add Lawyer Ron, Jazil, and my personal selection, Sweetnorthernsaint, who actually went off favored in the Derby somehow.

I agree with all except Jazil. He was the what, 5th choice in the Belmont and 12th-ish choice in the Derby? Both were pretty reasonable estimations by the public.

I retract my earlier statement for Strong Contender as Overall Overrated Horse of the Year. FLEET INDIAN is the Champion F&M Overrated Horse of the Year and Overall Overrated Horse of the Year. Give her my phantom Eclipse vote.

ALostTexan · #85 12-18-2006, 02:24 PM

How about Lady of Venice? Yes, she was impressive beating 3YO fillies at Churchill, but she was then being touted as the second coming. She was bet down to even money in the Diana (against solid older fillies), and then was blown away by Wait a While in the Lake Placid.

boswd · #86 12-18-2006, 02:28 PM

In terms of Lemons Forever I would correct you in the Fact that the Alabama is histrocally the most important Grade I for 3 yr oldFilly's. It's the olderst Richest, non BC race and ran at 1 1/4.
The Oaks gets most of it's attention due to the fact they placed it a day before the Derby to give it a more grander exposure. I would say it is numer two though.

boswd · #87 12-18-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were much more overrated horses than this one. Fleet Indian, Lava Man, Brother Derek, Giacomo, Henny Hughes come immediately to mind. You can then add Lawyer Ron, Jazil, and my personal selection, Sweetnorthernsaint, who actually went off favored in the Derby somehow.

I wouldn't call Heny Huges, Lava Man or Fleet Indian overratted. That is the problem with The Breeders Cup. Too much emphasis is put on one race on one day. I would look at these horse who have been above and beyond competitive through the year. I will give you Brother Derek and Giacomo though.

Bystander · #88 12-18-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

How about Lady of Venice? Yes, she was impressive beating 3YO fillies at Churchill, but she was then being touted as the second coming. She was bet down to even money in the Diana (against solid older fillies), and then was blown away by Wait a While in the Lake Placid.

And how about adding Quite a Bride, then, too?

ALostTexan · #89 12-18-2006, 02:42 PM

I never had Quite a Bride being more than a Grade III-type, nor was she ever really touted as more than that. To hear people talking about Lady of Venice at Saratoga, you'd think she was the second coming of Gorella.

Bystander · #90 12-18-2006, 02:45 PM

Seemed to me she was getting some pretty hefty hype too, more than G3 rumblings, but I do agree with you on Lady of Venice.

Cajungator26 · #91 12-18-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were much more overrated horses than this one. Fleet Indian, Lava Man, Brother Derek, Giacomo, Henny Hughes come immediately to mind. You can then add Lawyer Ron, Jazil, and my personal selection, Sweetnorthernsaint, who actually went off favored in the Derby somehow.

I would hardly call Lava Man overrated. AND furthermore, how can you call SNS overrated? HORRIBLE trip in the derby and finished 2nd in the Preakness even though he was staggering down the lane and exhausted. Sorry, but I don't agree on those two at all.

cmorioles · #92 12-18-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I would hardly call Lava Man overrated. AND furthermore, how can you call SNS overrated? HORRIBLE trip in the derby and finished 2nd in the Preakness even though he was staggering down the lane and exhausted. Sorry, but I don't agree on those two at all.

No need to apologize, it is just opinion.

How many horses could win everything Lava Man did and still have no chance in the BC? He beat absolutely nothing all year long. I was a fan of what he did, but he took advantage of circumstances while showing he was nothing special figure wise.

SNS? Look at the Preakness chart:

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/5625510

Other than one broken down horse and BroDerek, also on my list, there is absolutely nothing there.

Cajungator26 · #93 12-18-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

No need to apologize, it is just opinion.

How many horses could win everything Lava Man did and still have no chance in the BC? He beat absolutely nothing all year long. I was a fan of what he did, but he took advantage of circumstances while showing he was nothing special figure wise.

SNS? Look at the Preakness chart:

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/5625510

Other than one broken down horse and BroDerek, also on my list, there is absolutely nothing there.

Well, of course there was nothing there in the Preakness. Do you think that Bernardini was overrated as well? He didn't beat much all season either. As for Lava Man, he doesn't ship well... some horses just don't. I was still impressed with all of his wins this year.

JJP · #94 12-18-2006, 05:03 PM

With Lava Man, its all about Bute. If he can't run on race day Bute, he's a toss out.

cmorioles · #95 12-18-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Well, of course there was nothing there in the Preakness. Do you think that Bernardini was overrated as well? He didn't beat much all season either. As for Lava Man, he doesn't ship well... some horses just don't. I was still impressed with all of his wins this year.

If the BC was run at Hollywood or Santa Anita, I still would have given Lava Man no chance.

Bernardini was obviously somewhat overrated, but he isn't anymore.

ArlJim78 · #96 12-18-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

If the BC was run at Hollywood or Santa Anita, I still would have given Lava Man no chance.
Bernardini was obviously somewhat overrated, but he isn't anymore.

i agree with this, I think Lava Mans problem was more to do with the distance and quality of the competition than running outside of Ca.

Danzig · #97 12-18-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were much more overrated horses than this one. Fleet Indian, Lava Man, Brother Derek, Giacomo, Henny Hughes come immediately to mind. You can then add Lawyer Ron, Jazil, and my personal selection, Sweetnorthernsaint, who actually went off favored in the Derby somehow.

fleet indian and lava man? both found the winners circle every day this year but bc day. so did henny hughes. giacomo wasn't overrated, everyone knew that horse was what he was. lawyer ron was one of the $ winningest 3 yo's this year, and jazil won the belmont, so he's a classic winner. i'd take any of those over strong contender, any day!

Danzig · #98 12-18-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

With Lava Man, its all about Bute. If he can't run on race day Bute, he's a toss out.

this bit of logic ranks up there with barbaros gate-break conspiracy. how many times does 'race day bute' have to be refuted on this board?!

outofthebox · #99 12-18-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

With Lava Man, its all about Bute. If he can't run on race day Bute, he's a toss out.

Since when did Ky make it non race day bute. Heck i left there in 2003 and we could hit them with bute and ketofen on the am of the race. Cannon Shell would know the regulations now/

avance2000 · #**100** 12-18-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Bernardini:
1. Jim Dandy
2. Travers
3. Jockey Club Gold Cup
4. Preakness

All 3 are races that were overrated by the Bernmafia, in reality they were nice races, but nowhere near the Crowning Achievements that some made them to be...

exactly! i couldn't believe i read through 3 full pages of posts before somebody made this point. the words "overrated" and "bernardini" are basically synonymous!
however, even a confirmed bernardini-hater like me would probably rank lava man's dirt wins this year as just as overrated as bern's based on LM's post time odds in the bcc. everybody that knows anything about horse racing knew that horse should have been around 25/1 based on his lifetime of performances outside of California. based on the fact that he was most certainly NOT 25/1....i'd say his performances were severely overrated by the betting public.