CONTESSA: "..wanted to throw up"

[ninetoone]

Yesterday's ride wouldn't even be on the radar screen of bad rides in the last 10 years or 10 months....he thought the hole would open up and it didn't. It happens all the time, every day.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Yesterday's ride wouldn't even be on the radar screen of bad rides in the last 10 years or 10 months....he thought the hole would open up and it didn't. It happens all the time, every day.

I totally disagree. It wasn't just a matter of a hole not opening. It was a matter of Dominguez making a move that had no upside but had huge downside. It was an idiotic move. Even if the hole would have opened and he would have won, it would have still been a made.

I saw a jock give a similar ride once on Megahertz. I think it was Solis but I'm not positive. Anyway, I think it was a 6 horse field and the jock was coming from dead-last. He had a ton of horse. There was no way to lose if he went outside. But instead, the jock tried to split horses and ended up checking pretty good. He finally got room and won the race but it was still a terrible ride. He took a huge risk and came close to blowing the race. Nobody made a big deal about it because he won, but it was a really stupid move that had no upside.

Anyway, I don't think you're understanding what we are saying with regards to Dominguez' ride. The hole not opening is irrelevant. That's not why it was a bad ride. It was a bad ride because he made a move that had no upside.

I would have to say that Perry Outz's ride in the 8th race at River Downs in Aug of 1997 was the most puzzling ever.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Anyway, I don't think you're understanding what we are saying with regards to Dominguez' ride. The hole not opening is irrelevant. That's not why it was a bad ride. It was a bad ride because he made a move that had no upside.

Sometimes that hole opens up....so sometimes there is an upside. Just not on Thursday. Look at Steve's first post w/the Q&A. Dominguez made a split second judgement call based on something he saw & based on his instincts from thousands of rides. He just happenned to be wrong. So you can't say he made a move that had no upside 100% of the time, which is my point.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I would have to say that Perry Outz's ride in the 8th race at River Downs in Aug of 1997 was the most puzzling ever.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Sometimes that hole opens up....so sometimes there is an upside. Just not on Thursday. Look at Steve's first post w/the Q&A. Dominguez made a split second judgement call based on something he saw & based on his instincts from thousands of rides. He just happenned to be wrong. So you can't say he made a move that had no upside 100% of the time, which is my point.

There was no upside because he was not going to save ground. There was no advantage to going inside.

An analogy would be if you tried to get into your house by climbing through a window when the front door was unlocked. Why would you go through the window if the front door was open? It doesn't matter whether you have a mishap climbing through the window or not. If you broke the window, the move would be stupid, but even if you didn't break the window the move would still be stupid. There is no advantage to trying to climb through the window when the front door is open.

By the same token, there is no advantage to trying to split horses when you can go to the outside. He wasn't saving any ground by going inside. They had already straightened away.

[ninetoone]

Ramon said that "when they came off the turn he was sure the rail horse was going to float wide and take the other one with him and that he would have the rail to boot home." His plan was not to split horses.

So, Ramon thought he had 2 doors to choose from...not a door and a window. In hindsight, it ended up a door and a window, you are correct. But that's why hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Good analogy though. And yes, the outside was the prudent and safer move, I agree.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, Brian, in the vast encyclopedia of rides in your memory why don't you come up with a few more baffling decisions. Be sure they were simple situations in races that absolutely cost the horses involved victory.

How about that Kentucky derby in the 50's (i think) where the jock stood up at the 1/16 or 1/8th pole and cost the horse the derby... names are excaping me considering i was born in 1983, so I wasnt exactly at the race... but I am sure BTW or Byk knows the horse/jockey.

That may have been a more costly ride...

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about that Kentucky derby in the 50's (i think) where the jock stood up at the 1/16 or 1/8th pole and cost the horse the derby... names are excaping me considering i was born in 1983, so I wasnt exactly at the race... but I am sure BTW or Byk knows the horse/jockey.

That may have been a more costly ride...

shoemaker on gallant man

Originally Posted by Balletto

Well, since I tend to be the one that garners a lot of ol' blackie's attacks (I almost crave them now... love ya, bitch!), and its throwing the rest of you off kelter (is that really a word?), i'll just add my two cents so he can focus on his favorite target. I think it was the best ride in the HISTORY of the sport, and I happen to know this since i've seen every race ever run and im practically a divine being.

Here kitty kitty kitty... come to mama. Im all wet and waiting for you my big man.

C'mon. Your really a guy just f'ing with us, right?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

shoemaker on gallant man

1957.. "The year they threw the Derby.."

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by byaneck

C'mon. Your really a guy just f'ing with us, right?

No, she's not a guy.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

No, she's not a guy.

Okay. What about kentuckyrosesinmay....dude or not?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by byaneck

Okay. What about kentuckyrosesinmay....dude or not?

Nope, she's a chick too. I'm female too (in case you were wondering. LOL)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nope, she's a chick too. I'm female too (in case you were wondering. LOL)

there's pais, balletto, cajun, sightseek, genuine, pedigree ann, meras, and me...who am i missing??? i know i'm missing several, gonna be in the doghouse.

Originally Posted by byaneck

Okay. What about kentuckyrosesinmay....dude or not?

She's a female if you follow the tuck rule.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

She's a female if you follow the tuck rule.

looks like i'll be sharing that doghouse with pillow.


nice avatar btw, that trait would come in handy at oil changing time...

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

She's a female if you follow the tuck rule.

I checked her website.it's too over the top to be a real chick

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

there's pais, balletto, cajun, sightseek, genuine, pedigree ann, meras, and me...who am i missing??? i know i'm missing several, gonna be in the doghouse.

honu, buffy, MMSC, Largo, antitrust, bystander, rileyoriley...off the top of my head

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

honu, buffy, MMSC, Largo, antitrust, bystander, rileyoriley...off the top of my head

duh, shoulda remembered riley--she and i are both debs..

and honu, been reading her posts for years.

i will use my sinus meds as an excuse....