Opinion of the Best Handicapping Tool

One of the best posts i've seen on here. Thanks BBB.

[blackthroatedwind]

Here's one to add....


Taking advice from people who don't bet is a very bad decision.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

One of the best posts i've seen on here. Thanks BBB.

Ditto, Pillow.

Very informative, BBB. Thanks for posting that.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

One of the best posts i've seen on here. Thanks BBB.

Agreed and will add the main thing is to know how to read and analyze the information in any handicapping tool/publication. Not just the bold numbers!!! Digging deep is how to find value and avoid bad chalk.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just wanted to point out that while some might feel this thread veered in an unrelated direction, the actual title involves identifying the " best handicapping tool ", and I would have to say this thread has absolutely done that.

Perfect.

Originally Posted by DGIB

No, from Md. but I sure will not take S*** from a 26yr old who thinks she"s cute.

For what it's worth, you did the dirty work of discrediting you for us.

That post right there unequivocally proves that you know nothing about Jamie at all. I can say without a doubt that Jamie is far too humble about her appearance. She's cute, of course, but she'd be the last to tell you that herself. Matter of fact, she had about 70 consecutive hours this weekend with me to let me know how cute she thought she was....and not once did anything even resembling that sort of remark come out of her mouth.

So once again, we're right back to a poster acting ignorantly and using someone's age and the way they look as a basis for a character judgment. Hint: Doing so without fail gaurantees that you will be wrong and come off as a foolish tool.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Perfect.



For what it's worth, you did the dirty work of discrediting you for us.

That post right there unequivocally proves that you know nothing about Jamie at all. I can say without a doubt that Jamie is far too humble about her appearance. She's cute, of course, but she'd be the last to tell you that herself. Matter of fact, she had about 70 consecutive hours this weekend with me to let me know how cute she thought she was....and not once did anything even resembling that sort of remark come out of her mouth.

So once again, we're right back to a poster acting ignorantly and using someone's age and the way they look as a basis for a character judgment. Hint: Doing so without fail gaurantees that you will be wrong and come off as a foolish tool.

Acting "like the guy who was born on third base and acts as if he hit a triple."

Sitting in a hotel room in Minneapolis. Wearing every piece of clothing I own. Teeth won't stop chattering.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Acting "like the guy who was born on third base and acts as if he hit a triple."

Sitting in a hotel room in Minneapolis. Wearing every piece of clothing I own. Teeth won't stop chattering.

It's freezing up there! I'm cold just thinking about it.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It's freezing up there! I'm cold just thinking about it.

8 deg... with the wind "feels like" -10 deg. caught a gust of wind exiting the airport that almost killed me on the spot. seriously considering setting myself on fire.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

8 deg... with the wind "feels like" -10 deg. caught a gust of wind exiting the airport that almost killed me on the spot. seriously considering setting myself on fire.

Precisely why we live in the Sunshine State, eh? I hope you're not up there too long... and don't set yourself on fire!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

8 deg... with the wind "feels like" -10 deg. caught a gust of wind exiting the airport that almost killed me on the spot. seriously considering setting myself on fire.

I know how you feel. I was in for such a rude awakening yesterday. My flight from DC to Detroit was on one of those regional jets where they don't even hook up to the little walkway. Yep, I had to do the good old step down off the plane right onto the tarmac thing at 10 degrees.

Not fair.

[AeWingnut]

these guys do ok at Turfway
http://simulcapper.com/

I really don't follow it that much but for Turfway they are ok

for me at Turfway you want outside speed
and closers are my preference

but the track doesn't always play the same way

Pillow and Cajun: Thank you for your very kind comments. In retrospect I should have been more in depth. I do take a small bit of cheer, in that your comments somewhat contradict the poster that said yesterday, I post "nothing of value". BBB

[docicu3]

Coming back to the topic on a day racing is a little slow....

Those of you that are Formulator 4 folks......besides reading the manual are there 1) Ways to filter for late and early speed in a race 2) Account for workouts in any way for a particular horse relavant to the race

It would seem that the "filters" are the thing to learn to manipulate effectively here with this product. Besides the obvious ones Turf or dirt, fast or sloppy, Trainer/Jockey numbers etc. Can you identify lone speed or lone surperior closer with Formulator 4 or am I talking about shaping a race or these new fangled PACE numbers?

If per chance there are any Formulator 4 experts (Hint Hint Andy!!!) Perhaps if you have the time and could post suggestions for one race 2/21/07 like maybe the 7TH at GP as an example of a turf route or the 6TH as an example of a dirt sprint. Laying out an approach to using the filters relevantly other than the obvious Beyer filter which helps but is limited.

[blackthroatedwind]

I just don't have the time right now....actually have to start my Formulator work for tomorrow's Gulfstream card.

I don't really use the filters, sorry, as I use it more for looking into charts.

[docicu3]

If you have a second talk about what you mean when you say "looking into the charts".......I don't mean to put you out just trying some new tool and trying to figure out where to use it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by docicu3

If you have a second talk about what you mean when you say "looking into the charts".......I don't mean to put you out just trying some new tool and trying to figure out where to use it.

I think Formulator is the greatest handicapping tool ever invented. You have to be willing, and interested, in putting in the time but there are plenty of rewards if you do.

Basically you can reference any of the last three starts ( in North America ) of every entrant. You get the chart from that race, and from there can get the lifetime pps of every horse in that race, and you can reference any other chart from that day's races. It's great for handicapping a circuit that is at all foreign to you as you can get a good look at the relative competition and also search the day's races for any obvious bias. Plus, you can see how horses have done coming out of the previous race ( or races ) and find actual key races ( there are very few ) as opposed to being fooled by what are incorrectly thought of as key races.

[docicu3]

thanks.....I was noticing that you dont buy that a key race is a race where winners are multiple next time out. Are you saying that a key race needs more than two winners next out or bold like the quick sheet does or are you saying that you need to judge a certain level of performance in all of the horses at the same level (MDN clain, alw..etc) of racing? (like the majority of the horses in the race run a new top if you forgive the TGH reference)

Do you think there is an accentuated bounce factor for horses that are in these very competitive races because the drain is likley to be more in a hotly contested race. eg A horse that comes out of a 6F "key race" that has a par of "X" that actually has numbers in say 3 horses 20% above expected par or beyer. do you think those horses are good plays against in sprints next race within 3 weeks?

Do you have some kind of software that keeps track of these races or are they just in the AS computer of PP's?

And yes I have considered decaf on days I am not seeing patients........hope I make you laugh!!!

[MISTERGEE]

have any of you tried to use turfday website. it is also loaded with info, and reminds me of what you say formulator is good for such as cross referencing charts and pp's. i am not sure how the costs compare. last i checked i believe turfday was about $75 a month. also, as far as the sheets go i do seem to be doing better with them, but any thoughts on cost. for example 3 tracks on thorograph is $60 a day i dont think there is any volume discounts that i know of. if so please let me know. compare this to a form full of beyers $5?

[docicu3]

If you go to the local track (Laurel for me) you get 3 or 4 tracks for $35-40

TGH does have a great product but Ole Mr Brown is not into volume discounts on any level. But to be fair they do give away all tracks between Xmas and New Years on line so they do make some concessions.....

They recently bumped 2nd, 3rd and 4th product's of a given day prices by 25-33% this year which I think actually will hurt them overall as customers aware of this I believe will buy less but if you don't know about the increase it probably doesn't hurt them that much.

They see growth in their business with more customers from more effective advertising and lose sight of the loyal customers who are buying less than in the past.

Just a difference of opinion of business practices but make no mistake about it I am a big advocate of TGH....

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

make your own watch list of troubled trips...

I think this is a great idea. I just havent the time. But when I retire, I will have a much longer list than I currently make. I love watching replays and when we actually had them running in my neck of the woods it was an absolute must...