Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year? - Page 53

Danzig · #**1041** 10-26-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

While I understand that sentiment and don't entirely disagree with it, I think that in light of how the voting has always been done and with the precedent being clearly set, she has to be considered. I would have no problem if they changed the criteria and said a horse had to have at least four starts here or something like that in order to be eligible. But with the them always having awarded horses in the past off of only a single start and with that still being the only listed requirement, it doesn't make much sense to penalize Goldikova when she did the same thing as Pebbles, Miesque (2x), Banks Hill, Islington, and Ouija Board (2x).

but i think those that won off one start were in a division with no other clear standouts. it's why i can see the turf male award possibly going to conduit, but can't really see goldikova getting it.

Hwjb · #**1042** 10-26-2008, 11:57 AM

It's Johnny.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**1043** 10-26-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

2nd most.

I am just agreeing with what Baffert already said. Obviously, the horse has had a lot of problems, but when he runs his A race, you don't have to worry about getting beat by a better horse.

The Bid · #**1044** 10-26-2008, 12:20 PM

Although Im not a Curlin lover, I dont think there is any question that he beats Raven's Pass, and Henry the Navigator on dirt.

Its the result that has to happen. The Americans better be ready to get smoked every single classic thats ran on a synthetic surface. We do not breed good horses to go that far on a grass substitute.

Comedy

The Bid · #**1045** 10-26-2008, 12:25 PM

Hes exactly like Mineshaft down to his dimwitted jockey. They are the same kind of horse, same talent level. Hes not great, hes certainly very, very good. Even being very good hes proven that he cannot win on grass, and he cannot win on synthetic.

A very good question was posed to me...Can not winning on grass, and not winning on synthetic hurt Curlin's stallion value? I think it has to hurt, why would someone breed to a horse who regardless of their outstanding talent couldnt win on either of those surfaces?

I look forward to the next superstar Euro 3yo coming over and beating our best next year in the classic. It will not be until CHD holds the Breeders Cup the Americans win.

The Bid · #**1046** 10-26-2008, 12:27 PM

Breathtaking

How great is Zarkava, wow.

10 pnt move up · #**1047** 10-26-2008, 12:31 PM

The only reason Midnight Lute won is because it was synthetic and he is a turf horse. Well at least thats what I am gathering reading all these threads about the non turf races and the winners.

10 pnt move up · #**1048** 10-26-2008, 12:34 PM

Curlin is a very nice horse for sure but I dont think he was as good as Mineshaft on natural ability, and I definitely think he gets dusted by Ghostzapper. Thats just horses from the past 6 years.

Curlin never whipped a horse like Easy Goer, which Sunday Silence did. Curlin is not in the same class as those two horses.

Danzig · #**1049** 10-26-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Hes exactly like Mineshaft down to his dimwitted jockey. They are the same kind of horse, same talent level. Hes not great, hes certainly very, very good. Even being very good hes proven that he cannot win on grass, and he cannot win on synthetic.

A very good question was posed to me...Can not winning on grass, and not winning on synthetic hurt Curlin's stallion value? I think it has to hurt, why would someone breed to a horse who regardless of their outstanding talent couldnt win on either of those surfaces?

I look forward to the next superstar Euro 3yo coming over and beating our best next year in the classic. It will not be until CHD holds the Breeders Cup the Americans win.

i don't think his one start on both surfaces will hurt his stud value. also, smart strike is inside the top ten for synthetic sires, so it seems the genes are there.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**1050** 10-26-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The only reason Midnight Lute won is because it was synthetic and he is a turf horse. Well at least thats what I am gathering reading all these threads about the non turf races and the winners.

Baffert said he'll run on anything. He is very big, and bothered by many starting gates(Del Mar etc.)

Cajungator26 · #**1051** 10-26-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Silver Charm says hi

Hi Silver Charm!

miraja2 · #**1052** 10-26-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm still not sure who has been saying he's an invincible superhorse. He's clearly not and anyone that followed the game last year realizes it. I don't even remember people on here talking about him like that. Or, even calling him great for that matter. I suppose if you take the guys at ESPN seriously, maybe they have, but who listens to them anyway?

This is a good point, and this thread probably did not even need to be created. It is probably best to ignore people like Tessitore.
He just said it so many damn times yesterday, that I got pissed and simply couldn't ignore it any longer.

Danzig · #**1053** 10-26-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

This is a good point, and this thread probably did not even need to be created. It is probably best to ignore people like Tessitore.
He just said it so many damn times yesterday, that I got pissed and simply couldn't ignore it any longer.

he was absolutely nerve wracking. just think if big brown had been there. good lord. we were spared further nauseating hyperbole for sure. bad enough having just the one..ahem..superhorse in there.
but hey, curlin did beat that monster from the far east!!

Smooth Operator · #**1054** 10-26-2008, 01:21 PM

Thank you Racing Gods ... was sooooooooo satisfying seeing that 'champion' (in-a-bottle-of-Winstrol) get exposed yesterday by a couple good Euros ... and even the mediocre Tiago, to boot. The only disappointing thing about the contest was the fact that Big Brownroid wasn't in there to take his inevitable beating too.

Curlie (and Big Brownroid, for that matter) was clearly nothing special when he wasn't getting his regular 'roid fix. Couldn't care less how much money he made beating the usual mules this season. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as a truly brilliant recent champion like Ghostzapper.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**1055** 10-26-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hi Silver Charm!

He says Silver Charm was the toughest(an overachiever.)

Seattleallstar · #**1056** 10-26-2008, 01:27 PM

Seamus your gonna be next man, dont break our hearts next year

Smooth Operator · #**1057** 10-26-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I had to listen to the races on mute cause I was sick of hearing that title. He's not even in the conversation and that was before he lost today. He's not even the best of this decade. Hell, he's not even the best of this year.

Heck, you can even take it a step further, imo, KG. If SS and HS were not pharmacologically-enhanced with an anabolic steroid last year, you really can't say with any certainty that Curlie was even the best of his crop.

Curlie literally looked like the incredible hulk on four legs at Monmouth Park last October ... likely the result of a long 'roid regimen.

Smooth Operator · #**1058** 10-26-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thankfully, now the BC is over and you can go back in your shell for a few months.

Were you rooting for the 'champ' yesterday, DaHoss9698? lol

Watching those Euros have their way with the overrrated Curlie ... what a GREAT way to usher out the despicable steroid abuse era of thoroughbred racing in NA.

Cajungator26 · #**1059** 10-26-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Heck, you can even take it a step further, imo, KG. If SS and HS were not pharmacologically-enhanced with an anabolic steroid last year, you really can't say with any certainty that Curlie was even the best of his crop.

Curlie literally looked like the incredible hulk on four legs at Monmouth Park last October ... likely the result of a long 'roid regimen.

Or it could be the fact that he's a large horse. I was at GP when he broke his maiden under trainer Helen Pitts ... believe me, he's a big horse.

The Bid · #**1060** 10-26-2008, 02:30 PM

Ghostzapper should have been renamed Milkshake