11/11 ATR: The Great HOTY Debate

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who are these great three year old graded stake winners, point them out so I can be on the lookout for them next season?

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Did I say she beat any "great graded stakes horses?"

NT

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Did I say she beat any "great graded stakes horses?"

NT

zenyatta didn't exactly face citation this year.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Danzig

zenyatta didn't exactly face citation this year.

Absolutely. I mean, the whole "who did she beat" argument is weak because when you gain the stature that these two had you can only beat who'll show up against you.

Rather than go the route of pounding the 3YO fillies over and over again, the RA camp went out of their "division" twice and were successful both times. Zenyatta's connections chose to continue to run against the same horses then reach once and assume that win trumps everything else. It just doesn't in my opinion.

NT

[citycat]

OK, so outside of the tired agrument of her running back east exactly what did we want her to do. I will give you that she could have run in the PC but should she have just started running against the boys? Then everyone would be on her for beating "bad" boys in CA.

Everyone has made up their mind and there will be no convincing someone to cross over. We just wait for the Eclipse Awards.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by citycat

OK, so outside of the tired agrument of her running back east exactly what did we want her to do. I will give you that she could have run in the PC but should she have just started running against the boys? Then everyone would be on her for beating "bad" boys in CA.

Everyone has made up their mind and there will be no convincing someone to cross over. We just wait for the Eclipse Awards.

zenyatta had one good race all year, where she actually had some decent competition. i just don't understand why that's enough for some.