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Man we got Pearl Harbored, except it was not a suprise.

The Lava Man haters have got to explain why horses do not come west to take him on. The purses certainly are not too small. So bring some horses in and beat him with the money on the line. It is complete stupidity saying a horse winning 5 million dollars is bad. Its not like they prohibit horses from entering like some of the Hong Kong races.

I just watched the race. Lava Man got a nice start, nice placement, no excuses. He just died. Im glad he basically got pulled up. He was toasted. Sorry about the Channel to Kev. I was rooting for our boys, but butts were kicked.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Man we got Pearl Harbored, except it was not a suprise.

The Lava Man haters have got to explain why horses do not come west to take him on. The purses certainly are not too small. So bring some horses in and beat him with the money on the line. It is complete stupidity saying a horse winning 5 million dollars is bad. Its not like they prohibit horses from entering like some of the Hong Kong races.

I just watched the race. Lava Man got a nice start, nice placement, no excuses. He just died. Im glad he basically got pulled up. He was toasted. Sorry about the Channel to Kev. I was rooting for our boys, but butts were kicked.

I don't think there are that many horses in the US that are good enough to justify the risk and expense of shipping out to CA to take on Lava Man. And the ones that are good enough can find races and purses to contend that do not involve shipping so far only to run in a different climate.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The Lava Man haters have got to explain why horses do not come west to take him on. The purses certainly are not too small. So bring some horses in and beat him with the money on the line. It is complete stupidity saying a horse winning 5 million dollars is bad. Its not like they prohibit horses from entering like some of the Hong Kong races.

I just watched the race. Lava Man got a nice start, nice placement, no excuses. He just died. Im glad he basically got pulled up. He was toasted. Sorry about the Channel to Kev. I was rooting for our boys, but butts were kicked.

I don't understand why people are so afraid to admit that West Coast racing is completely different from racing in the rest of the country. Whether it's the surfaces, the drugs, Trevor Denman's voice, whatever, West Coast success doesn't often translate to East Coast and Midwest success, and vice versa. They're two different beasts. Considering that, and considering that Lava Man is way better in California than he is everywhere else, where's the upside in shipping horses out west?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't understand why people are so afraid to admit that West Coast racing is completely different from racing in the rest of the country. Whether it's the surfaces, the drugs, Trevor Denman's voice, whatever, West Coast success doesn't often translate to East Coast and Midwest success, and vice versa. They're two different beasts. Considering that, and considering that Lava Man is way better in California than he is everywhere else, where's the upside in shipping horses out west?

MONEY. If he really is that weak. This is the point. People have stated he is a just not that good. If he really is easy to beat, come take the purse. Hell you dont need a good animal, Lava Man is bad.

Well in California he is not.

He has run awesome races in California and horses wont ship because they know this. So in a nutshell, he is a money horse in the right spot. That does not make him bad. Read these posts. Its too easy to bust on a horse right after the slaughter. I hate the band wagon effect. So I take the other side.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It was a joke man. I figured you could take it. And really, no one is saying they wouldn't love to own him. I'd love to own a 5k claimer at Finger Lakes. He's a good horse. It's just funny busting your balls about him because of those license plates.

J...sorry if it came across as bitter towards you. I thought what you said was quite funny and it didn't bother me a lick. I just find it puzzling how well informed people can talk about the horse like he is zippy chippy

[brockguy]

Granted EC ran a howler, but im a bit surprised looking back that he was in the 9f race. For the 12f races in Dubai, it pays to have a bit of speed and you dont neccessarily have to stay the trip. Same could be said for Lava Man!!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brockguy

Granted EC ran a howler, but im a bit surprised looking back that he was in the 9f race. For the 12f races in Dubai, it pays to have a bit of speed and you dont neccessarily have to stay the trip. Same could be said for Lava Man!!

Kev, who knows why they chose the shorter of the two races?? I wondered that myself.


anyways..this quote on drf.com

"He never gave me any indication he was going to do any running," said jockey John Velazquez. "He got in the gate and fell asleep."

That quote tells me all I need to know. But again, I am not foolish enough, nor blinded by my admiration enough, to think that if EC had run his best race, that he would have gotten to the winner. Those turf horses over there are just on a different level than horses such as EC, Miesques Approval, etc...
Our level of turf racing in America can't hold a candle to the Euros.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GPK

Kev, who knows why they chose the shorter of the two races?? I wondered that myself.


anyways..this quote on drf.com

"He never gave me any indication he was going to do any running," said jockey John Velazquez. "He got in the gate and fell asleep."

That quote tells me all I need to know. But again, I am not foolish enough, nor blinded by my admiration enough, to think that if EC had run his best race, that he would have gotten to the winner. Those turf horses over there are just on a different level than horses such as EC, Miesques Approval, etc...
Our level of turf racing in America can't hold a candle to the Euros.

It is a different level of turf racing, but I also think it was an off day for EC. On his best I think he has the talent to have made an appearance on the board, like third or fourth. That's was what I was expecting.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by GPK

Im here....never have been one to run and hide. His running today did nothing to deminish my admiration for him. Never claimed he was gonna win the race...never claimed he was as good as any of the Euros. He just happens to be may favorite race horse...plain and simple.

He did finish in front of the "eclipse winner"

And Randall....I believe your little Cacique showed his true colors in the BC turf in the fall...so you have very little room to talk

Go get em big fella

I felt the same way a couple of weeks ago when people were bashing our girl. The resumes speak for themselves. It's so funny when a very very good horse has a bad day and all the people that bet against them in their previous wins come out to say they told you so. They told us 8 or 9 wins and 3 or 4 million dollars ago that whoever the horse in question is at the time is a tomato can. EC just didn't have it yesterday. Nuff said....Hopefully RP won't tie up between now and next Saturday and she will bring it home....

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't understand why people are so afraid to admit that West Coast racing is completely different from racing in the rest of the country. Whether it's the surfaces, the drugs, Trevor Denman's voice, whatever, West Coast success doesn't often translate to East Coast and Midwest success, and vice versa. They're two different beasts. Considering that, and considering that Lava Man is way better in California than he is everywhere else, where's the upside in shipping horses out west?

That would be enough to keep me away.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Be Nice!

Well in all fairness he is a pretty good horse, in California. You sound kind of bitter like you have tried to beat him a bunch of times to no avail. I get it, I have too. He's fun to watch and it's a neat story. He's not an all time great, but in Cali he is pretty tough to beat. ANywhere else, well not so much.

.........yeah, all he has done is bank 4.6 mil so far......

Originally Posted by GPK

Kev, who knows why they chose the shorter of the two races?? I wondered that myself.
Those turf horses over there are just on a different level than horses such as EC, Miesques Approval, etc...
Our level of turf racing in America can't hold a candle to the Euros.

In that race it was the Japanese that busted the world up. Asian racing on the turf is clearly very good.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by pgardn

In that race it was the Japanese that busted the world up. Asian racing on the turf is clearly very good.

exactly, Flashy did the best of the Euros in 6th.. and Youmzain was our best in the 12f race in third!! not a great day for the euros!

Originally Posted by brockguy

exactly, Flashy did the best of the Euros in 6th.. and Youmzain was our best in the 12f race in third!! not a great day for the euros!

Boulish Luck even ran a well beaten third on the dirt. This is a blasted turf horse from Hong Kong coming in and beating the rest.

I do love how the Euros pronounce Bull.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Boulish Luck even ran a well beaten third on the dirt. This is a blasted turf horse from Hong Kong coming in and beating the rest.

I do love how the Euros pronounce Bull.

Yes Bullish Luck was only a turf horse but he is actually quite solid and classy. The class of the World Cup field dropped off a lot after the big three so to speak. Forty Licks? Vermilion? Kandidate? All nice dirt horses but not in the same league. Bullish Luck has successfully competed against the best in Asian turf horses, which as we now know are to be taken seriously.

[brockguy]

Kandidate's only a G3 winner on Turf I think... came 2nd or 3rd in th 2000 Guineas in 05 though.. it was funny listening to the experts before the race.. all expected Kandiate to lead with DC just behind.. they werent the only one surprised to see them sitting 2nd last and last for most of the way!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

MONEY. If he really is that weak. This is the point. People have stated he is a just not that good. If he really is easy to beat, come take the purse. Hell you dont need a good animal, Lava Man is bad.

Well in California he is not.

He has run awesome races in California and horses wont ship because they know this. So in a nutshell, he is a money horse in the right spot. That does not make him bad. Read these posts. Its too easy to bust on a horse right after the slaughter. I hate the band wagon effect. So I take the other side.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been saying Lava Man sucks for years now, when all the "bandwagoners" you speak of were slobbering over him after every bullshit California win.

I don't remember anyone saying he's easy to beat in California. But I disagree that the presence of Lava Man is the only thing keeping owners from shipping out to Cali.

So because he's a good horse in California, that makes him a good horse? I don't understand your logic. Being a bad horse everywhere else doesn't make him bad, but being a good horse in California makes him good?

Good horses are horses that overcome adversity. If you had a horse that ran huge numbers only when he was loose on the lead on a slow pace, would you call him good? No, because he only runs big when he has things his way. Well, how is Lava Man only winning in familiar surroundings any different?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So because he's a good horse in California, that makes him a good horse? I don't understand your logic. Being a bad horse everywhere else doesn't make him bad, but being a good horse in California makes him good?

Why do we have to figure out whether he deserves the label "good" or "bad" at all? I think maybe it is a bit more complex than that. He is one horse in SoCal, and a different horse ouside of it. Why can't we leave it at that? Do we really need to say that on an overall "goodness scale" of 1 through 10 he is a 6.75 or whatever you would rank him?

[Left Bank]

Amen,a Team!!!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I've been saying Lava Man sucks for years now.

Well then you have been wrong for years now. He is not a great horse because of his limitations. I ripped his connections for sending him to this race. It made no sense. When he is shipped....he stinks. No question about it.
But he doesn't suck. It just doesn't make sense to say that a horse that has won the races which he has won "sucks." Is he overrated? perhaps. Is his competition suspect? yes. Does he suck? Absolutely not.