My Prediction for Santa Anita

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have no desire to waste any more time with you. Let's be honest, you probably rarely bet. It's fine, but when it comes to gambling maybe it's best to stay out of the discussion. Like I said, it's comical that you had the audacity to tell people that pump a lot of money into pools that maybe they'll have to "show a little ingenuity." I will say that your expertise on basically every subject in the world is amazing. What's it like to know everything?

Please convince my wife.
I got a friggin track in my hometown
It is really a great simulcasting facility
and I get race replays all the time.
Any time you want to come and watch
races with me... (I realize only on your deathbed
would you ever stoop so low)

So we will be honest. I think I bet too much.

And as far as interest in a lot of things, I am.
I mean if you really dont believe I dont know
what I am talking about all you got to do is
ask questions and reveal how much I dont know.

So I happen to mention cribbing. My wife was getting
pissed at her horse chewing and breathing in excess
air on the stall on the time. So just ask... I wont chime
in if its not something I know nothing about.

I have never chimed in on the Buffy movies. Never on
the Sopranos. Never on hockey. Ask a lot of questions
about golf from kev because I find it impossible to play.
Horses. I read a heck of a lot from this site and others
and I got a damn track and know some jocks who are
no longer present and a trainer that has moved on. I know
vets and my wife owns a damn horse. So yes I am in to a lot
of stuff that happen to include horses. (Which I have a terrible
memory for with names)

But I often throw out statements in order to get reactions (often too provocative and I apologize)
to gauge if I can learn something. So since this thread was
about the track at Santa Anita. I ask you: What is in the
kickback that is so harsh at Santa Anita. I think I know what it
is. What do you think?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think you are taking a trip down to crazy town again.

I think I have no idea what is causing the kickback issues at Santa Anita. I think I really don't care other than I used to like betting Santa Anita and now I am reduced to betting only turf races. I think what is going on at Santa Anita right now is a disgrace. I think if people were a bit more honest (I do not mean you) about their agendas that these discussions would go a lot smoother. That's what I think.

I think its probably a little bit of the limestone that lies over the base. That means its in really bad shape if its little rocks like Rupert said. And I think The Bid is probably right that they moved too soon without proper testing.

And it is sad because I like watching the race replays from that track. And I liked betting the track with the full fields last summer/Fall. It was fun laying a bet a and coming back home and watching on the computer. Did not fair so well there though. Practice.

[Riot]

i say:
if anyone here bothered to read this long-ass article they would see horses are coming back from scopes with rubber in their lungs and/or throats...who is this poster who says he's a vet?...that was just a ridiculous thing to say...i know, from my own experience, that even just food particles can get caught in a human's lungs (and cause major problems) so to say kickback can't get in a horses lungs cause they breathe thru their noses while running is beyond stupidity and his license should be pulled asap...can u say entrapped

Then it's a good thing that's not what I said.

Perhaps, before you make any more painfully ironic comments about "beyond stupidity", you should re-read that post, very s-l-o-w-l-y.

[Danzig]

i got quite a kick out of that post last nite, mr vet (!!!), and thought you would as well....

you mail your license in yet???

[Honu]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think its probably a little bit of the limestone that lies over the base. That means its in really bad shape if its little rocks like Rupert said. And I think The Bid is probably right that they moved too soon without proper testing.

And it is sad because I like watching the race replays from that track. And I liked betting the track with the full fields last summer/Fall. It was fun laying a bet a and coming back home and watching on the computer. Did not fair so well there though. Practice.

There is no longer a limestone base , it was taken out when the drainage system was installed , some of the rocks came with the sand , which is coarser than what had first been installed.
The little rocks that are coming up I do believe are coming from the macadam base that was scruffed up when they took the track up and pressure washed it.
I was out there yesterday with about 40 other people picking thru the track for rocks , I only found about 10 , 2 were good sized and sharp and the rest were from the macadam so they were fairly small, nonetheless still would hurt like a bugger to get hit with them.
The sand is most likely what is causing the sting , its pretty coarse and I imagine it feels about like winterized tracks do back east.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by merasmag

i was referring to what u said as a whole, but it did start this way:

"Horses cannot breath through their mouths, so I doubt much is getting in through the mouth and then swallowed during or just after a race, as the epiglottis is closed down over the esophagus so the horse can breath."

when i get home from work, i'll look for more on the subject too

Yes, that was in reference to horses swallowing the material, getting it into their stomach and intestines (see Zig's post on sand colic concerns).

What worries me is what Honu said about this morning (confirming what Bid said here days before - yes Bid, you were RIGHT <g>) - and what is described in a Blood-Horse article dated today: if they are finding pieces of asphalt, that means it's coming from the macadam top of the base - and if the base is breaking up (not level) - that's a big concern if horses can get down through the cushion.

Now, the deep synthetic cushion isn't supposed to allow that to ever happen (like dirt when it gets muddy - it's suspected by some that George Washington may have gone down through the cushion and hit the base at Monmouth, causing his injury).

We'll see.

I wonder if Cushion Track, Inc. has written a check to SA yet, to cover all this, the lost racing days, the Pro-Ride consult, the UC engineering lab consult, etc? No matter how well the other Cushion installation is working in CA (and it appears to have no problems), I don't see how the company is going to overcome the PR from this disaster of an installation, and more importantly, their failure to be able to fix it.

[Danzig]

just read an update on bloodhorse.

santa anita will close for a few days to install the binding agent, but they aren't sure yet when. they don't know yet how long it will take to produce enough of the binding material for the track. but once that's settled, they will close for about ten days to install.
i hope it works, and that weather is favorable until then.

Originally Posted by Honu

There is no longer a limestone base , it was taken out when the drainage system was installed , some of the rocks came with the sand , which is coarser than what had first been installed.
The little rocks that are coming up I do believe are coming from the macadam base that was scruffed up when they took the track up and pressure washed it.
I was out there yesterday with about 40 other people picking thru the track for rocks , I only found about 10 , 2 were good sized and sharp and the rest were from the macadam so they were fairly small, nonetheless still would hurt like a bugger to get hit with them.
The sand is most likely what is causing the sting , its pretty coarse and I imagine it feels about like winterized tracks do back east.

Thats not good.

Horse getting a sharp rock in
the face, jockeys getting pelted.

The rocks came with the sand?

[The Bid]

I am often right

[Riot]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I am often right

C'mon, Bid ... come to a cocktail party, and talk genetics and physics ....

[The Bid]

Let me know when you are hosting

[Riot]

Doors are always open in central Kentucky to Dee Tee'rs!

Chuck will buy, not a problem .....