Top 25 3yo's 1987-2007 - Page 6

The Bid · #**101** 02-26-2008, 01:46 PM

It would have been great to see a healthy LITF on into his 4yo year. I think he would have hushed some of the critics. All we can do is speculate how good he was, or wasnt, or how much his disease hampered his running.

#**102** 02-26-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is simply not true at all. Fog won 11 career races:

Northern CA-3
Arizona-1
South FL-3
Kentucky-1
NY-3

I should've looked up his wins. I just remember him winning in NoCal and that stands out more to me than the others. But really Arizona should stick out like a sore thumb. I imagine if he was still running today he would've had wins in Washington and New Mexico.

miraja2 · #**103** 02-26-2008, 01:50 PM

Did LITF ever defeat another G1 winner?

King Glorious · #**104** 02-26-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I should've looked up his wins. I just remember him winning in NoCal and that stands out more to me than the others. But really Arizona should stick out like a sore thumb. I imagine if he was still running today he would've had wins in Washington and New Mexico.

It's a stigma that's hard to overcome. I consider El Gato Malo a Northern Cali horse even though two of his three races have been in Southern Cali. It's just interesting that a horse that won more races at Gulfstream, Churchill, Belmont, and Saratoga than in Northern Cali is still disparaged as only a Northern Cali horse.

blackthroatedwind · #**105** 02-26-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

It would have been great to see a healthy LITF on into his 4yo year. I think he would have hushed some of the critics. All we can do is speculate how good he was, or wasnt, or how much his disease hampered his running.

Maybe.....and it is unfortunate. However, all we really have to go on in his 3YO year is that when he finally faced real horses he got completely drowned.

Look, I liked Lost in the Fog, he was a neat horse and I respect that he shipped all over the country and ran in many of the important spots for 3YOs. It wasn't his fault that his competition was weak. But, I think there is a canyon of difference between his actual talent and his perceived talent.

NoLuvForPletch · #**106** 02-26-2008, 01:54 PM

can you include a horse who won 3 of 4 races as a 3YO, and only one G1?

These are awesome to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSo-M...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiKgJiYCDM

Was there a more anticipated return of an older horse than Ghostzapper in recent memory, besides Curlin?

King Glorious · #**107** 02-26-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Did LITF ever defeat another G1 winner?

Not that I can recall. That's the only reason he's not on my list although I do believe his talent and accomplishements easily could have earned him a spot.

miraja2 · #**108** 02-26-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Not that I can recall. That's the only reason he's not on my list although I do believe his talent and accomplishements easily could have earned him a spot.

I left him off of my list too.
He seemed like a pretty good horse, but he never really faced anybody until the BC, and there he was swamped.
I didn't include him for the same reason I don't think that filly out in New Mexico should win HOY.

SniperSB23 · #**109** 02-26-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I left him off of my list too.
He seemed like a pretty good horse, but he never really faced anybody until the BC, and there he was swamped.
I didn't include him for the same reason I don't think that filly out in New Mexico should win HOY.

The big difference is LITF shipped around and went to every big 3yo sprint race there was. It wasn't his fault there was no competition. The NM filly has been kept in state bred company and dodged any real challenges. There's no comparison between them.

miraja2 · #**110** 02-26-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The big difference is LITF shipped around and went to every big 3yo sprint race there was. It wasn't his fault there was no competition. The NM filly has been kept in state bred company and dodged any real challenges. There's no comparison between them.

Clearly he was better than Pepper's Pride.
I wasn't attempting to compare them in terms of ability.
I was just trying to make the point that I like to see horses actually beat some horse that can run before I would include the animal in a list of this nature.

SniperSB23 · #**111** 02-26-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Clearly he was better than Pepper's Pride.
I wasn't attempting to compare them in terms of ability.
I was just trying to make the point that I like to see horses actually beat some horse that can run before I would include the animal in a list of this nature.

Right, I just don't think it is fair that he gets slammed so bad for beating no one when he showed up at all the biggest races for his division. Slam away for the BC performance, for that he deserves it.

blackthroatedwind · #**112** 02-26-2008, 02:06 PM

Here are six horses from 1987 that were clearly better 3YOs than Lost in the Fog.....

Alysheba
Bet Twice
Gulch
Java Gold
Cryptoclearance
Gone West

and Lost Code and Polish Navy were probably better.

The Bid · #**113** 02-26-2008, 02:07 PM

LITF defeated Kelly's Landing but how many 3yo G1 sprints do they write?

philcski · #**114** 02-26-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

can you include a horse who won 3 of 4 races as a 3YO, and only one G1?

These are awesome to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSo-M...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiKgJiYCDM

Was there a more anticipated return of an older horse than Ghostzapper in recent memory, besides Curlin?

Not for me, at least. I almost shat my pants when I saw his 3yo debut.

Wouldn't include him in 3YO accomplishments because they weren't there. Unfortunately for him, he was 2nd fiddle in his own barn at that point.

philcski · #**115** 02-26-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

LITF defeated Kelly's Landing but how many 3yo G1 sprints do they write?

Two

SniperSB23 · #**116** 02-26-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Two

What is the second?

King Glorious · #**117** 02-26-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Did LITF ever defeat another G1 winner?

Realizing the abuse I'm going to take for this, I'm going to post it anyway. He never beat another grade one winner. Wait, what about Kelly's Landing who went on to win the Dubai Golden Shaheen? Fog beat him in Kentucky. Kelly's Landing is also the 6f track record holder at Churchill.

What I was going to say was what about Egg Head and More Smoke? I know, I know. But hear me out. When he beat More Smoke in March, it didn't mean much but then More Smoke came back in April to win the Lafayette with a 114 Beyer. Fog beat him by over five lengths. When Fog faced Egg Head in the Riva Ridge, Egg Head was coming off of a 112 Beyer. Again, I know what you all are saying. Probably shaking your heads over me bringing up Egg Head and More Smoke. But up until Fog ran the 116 in the Carry Back, the 112 and 114 earned by those other two were the highest 3yo sprint Beyers of the year and higher than all the figures that the eventual field for the BC Sprint ran that year, save for Gygistar (115), Wildcat Heir (117), and Pomeroy (114). So not only was Fog criss-crossing the country to win these races while giving away lots of weight, he was beating whatever was the next best out there and doing it handily. It's too bad Egg Head died. I think he could have become a grade one winner.

Also wanted to add that Fog had destroyed Social Probation and Santana Strings. Those two nobodies finished 1-2 over eventual BC Sprint winner Silver Train.

The Bid · #**118** 02-26-2008, 02:20 PM

Egg Head was a very good horse

King Glorious · #**119** 02-26-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Right, I just don't think it is fair that he gets slammed so bad for beating no one when he showed up at all the biggest races for his division. Slam away for the BC performance, for that he deserves it.

He gets slammed for beating nobodies but Mineshaft got awarded HOY in 2003 for the same thing. Think about it. In 2003, who were the top seven older males? In no order, I come up with:

Congaree, Perfect Drift, Medaglia d'Oro, Mineshaft, Candy Ride, Milwaukee Brew, and Pleasantly Perfect. Out of that group of seven, Mineshaft only faced one of those horses (Perfect Drift). He only faced that one horse one time. And he LOST. But he was the HOY. Go figure.

philcski · #**120** 02-26-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

holy cow, i never realized that!

still, he was better as a 3yo than a whole lot of the ones named in this thread. didnt he win the queen's plate in his 2nd or 3rd start?

Yes... 3rd start. Which, to be honest, isn't THAT great of an achievement, in fact this year I believe the winner did the same thing (and he isn't much).

I respectfully disagree he was better as a 3YO than a lot of the ones listed here- he was a pedestrian 6-3-0-2 with a maiden win, the Queens Plate, and the Jim Dandy- potential notwithstanding. However, his 4YO campaign was about as good as it gets. Trust me, he's one of my personal favorites and I'm thrilled he's doing so well at stud...