What the 2nd Ammendment is for

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

so what's keeping me from my nuke?

it's clearly not the constitution since the framer's were smart enough to understand weaponry would advance.

i'm suggesting there are limits on rights. if you don't think so try slander. or libel. and then cry that someone is taking away your constitutionally protected rights when you're dragged into court. see how far that gets you.

i tried yelling "theatre" at a crowded fire but no one got the humor.

it is amusing to me that some think the nra is over the top(and yes, they can be, and no, i'm not a member), and then they grab onto the likes of nukes and uzis when the topic of gun control comes up. yeah, HIG, i think people should own nukes. the problem is when folks toss about the terms semi-automatic and automatic as two categories of guns that should be 'banned'. i have shotguns that would be considered semi-automatic. people can never seem to agree on the details of many topics of conversation(when does life begin?)-i'd hate to think that folks who haven't a clue about guns individually making a blanket decision to ban 'all semi-automatic weapons' thinking they just took ak-47's and uzis off the street. congrats, you just took semi's such as two of my shotguns away from all of us law-abiding citizens, leaving only felons and felons-to-be with those weapons. it's funny, us law abiding citizens who do no harm are the ones who would give up these weapons. we abide by the law. but the ones who don't-they're going to give up their guns? really?
again, i want to know-how does my ownership of guns affect anyone? raise the crime rate? or my father owning them? my father in law? it doesn't.

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's funny, us law abiding citizens who do no harm are the ones who would give up these weapons. we abide by the law. but the ones who don't-they're going to give up their guns? really?
again, i want to know-how does my ownership of guns affect anyone? raise the crime rate? or my father owning them? my father in law? it doesn't.

It really only does in that if you do own guns,
your home becomes a more desirable target
when you are away. You are actually more likely
to get robbed. They will case your house more closely
than they would mine.

This is what I get from the cops that I know anyway.
And this is in San Antonio, Texas. Some criminals actually
hang at some of the sporting good stores to find the
people who own guns legally. They want to see that
right to carry card. Because they dont have that right.

One more addition here, the right to carry concealed
weapons state.

Road rage:

Seems like every week someone gets shot by someone
else who carries. Many times they both pull the weapon
and flash it and no one panics (besides me).

But sporadically they shoot. Hot tempers and guns
are not good.
I never ever honk, shoot any fingers,
nothing except a big "I am sorry" mouthed in a car if ANY misunderstanding
occurs. Only honk if I am about to get hit. Never to get attention
in any other way.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It really only does in that if you do own guns,
your home becomes a more desirable target
when you are away. You are actually more likely
to get robbed. They will case your house more closely
than they would mine.

This is what I get from the cops that I know anyway.
And this is in San Antonio, Texas. Some criminals actually
hang at some of the sporting good stores to find the
people who own guns legally. They want to see that
right to carry card. Because they dont have that right.

really? i guess i better start locking my front door when i leave. btw, my guns are all locked in a fire proof gun safe. if they can get in that, they deserve them i guess.
i find it hard to believe that criminals will seek out a house with weapons, when there are so many easier targets out there. in other words, i don't quite believe that theory. nor do i see how my legal ownership contributes to the amount of crimes committed by people with guns. also, gun crimes have decreased every year for years now-other than '05, and gun ownership has gone thru the roof-both after 9/11 and after barack obama won election. and that's without more gun control legislation.

Originally Posted by Danzig

really? i guess i better start locking my front door when i leave. btw, my guns are all locked in a fire proof gun safe. if they can get in that, they deserve them i guess.
i find it hard to believe that criminals will seek out a house with weapons, when there are so many easier targets out there. in other words, i don't quite believe that theory. nor do i see how my legal ownership contributes to the amount of crimes committed by people with guns. also, gun crimes have decreased every year for years now-other than '05, and gun ownership has gone thru the roof-both after 9/11 and after barack obama won election. and that's without more gun control legislation.

Well....
Here is how it supposeldy works here.

The right to carry law is very strict. In fact it is very
backed up. A citizen with no record is gonna wait at least a year here.
If you get caught dealing,
(they follow transactions very carefully) big trouble.
I am glad
you have your guns safely stored. But... if you ever feel like you
might need them during the night where do you leave them?
Accessible hopefully. And you dont forget. And thats good
because many people get lazy and leave the gun accessible.

In almost any break in here the bed will be pulled off (matress gun),
and any concealed places drawers and stuff around the bed
are always fleeced for weapons. They are small (hand guns) and easily traded. Jewels and cash are better of course.

Guns are stolen almost every day here. The paper prints it.
It is a good business. They dont want your laptop, they dont
want your Monet. They want cash, jewelry and guns.
Believe it or not. Maybe Arkansas is very different.

Trade of stolen guns is big business. As it makes sense that
it should be for criminals. Just like other things that are illegal.
So we come back to square one with the business created
by making something desired illegal. The NRA has argued this
point.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well....
Here is how it supposeldy works here.

The right to carry law is very strict. In fact it is very
backed up. A citizen with no record is gonna wait at least a year here.
If you get caught dealing,
(they follow transactions very carefully) big trouble.
I am glad
you have your guns safely stored. But... if you ever feel like you
might need them during the night where do you leave them?
Accessible hopefully. And you dont forget. And thats good
because many people get lazy and leave the gun accessible.

In almost any break in here the bed will be pulled off (matress gun),
and any concealed places drawers and stuff around the bed
are always fleeced for weapons. They are small (hand guns) and easily traded. Jewels and cash are better of course.

Guns are stolen almost every day here. The paper prints it.
It is a good business. They dont want your laptop, they dont
want your Monet. They want cash, jewelry and guns.
Believe it or not. Maybe Arkansas is very different.

Trade of stolen guns is big business. As it makes sense that
it should be for criminals. Just like other things that are illegal.
So we come back to square one with the business created
by making something desired illegal. The NRA has argued this
point.

all our guns are put up except a pellet gun (for pesky dogs-stings their butts) and a handgun in the nightstand drawer. one of the guns that we didn't buy, it belonged to tony's granddad. that's the funny part tho about this discussion. most say 'well, if you want to protect yourself'...and all my heavy weaponry is locked up on the other end of the house from my bedroom! now, during hunting season they're propped up all over the place-but my youngest is 17, so it's not a concern. and none with a round in the chamber either. muzzleloaders only have caps on once you're in a stand. caps come off before you get down...

Originally Posted by Danzig

all our guns are put up except a pellet gun (for pesky dogs-stings their butts) and a handgun in the nightstand drawer. one of the guns that we didn't buy, it belonged to tony's granddad. that's the funny part tho about this discussion. most say 'well, if you want to protect yourself'...and all my heavy weaponry is locked up on the other end of the house from my bedroom! now, during hunting season they're propped up all over the place-but my youngest is 17, so it's not a concern. and none with a round in the chamber either. muzzleloaders only have caps on once you're in a stand. caps come off before you get down...

So they go for the handgun
in the drawer cause that is your accessible defense.
It makes sense. Handguns are much more useful
because they are easy to handle. Your rifle for deer...?
Nah...

My wife would kill me (strangulation or food poisoning)
before she ever let a gun in the house. Daughter off
to college, does not matter.

But....

If we lived out aways, without police close... And we got
robbed. I bet she might ask me to go to class and apply
to use one of her dad's old handguns (currently with sis). Its a funny
thing how people are apt to change with experience or
bad experiences.

I consider my body a lethal weapon (especially my intestines
after the right type of dinner), so I have no worries.

[timmgirvan]

So the logic is not to have handguns or weapons or anything of value at your home..or don't buy a new car because you'll be a target for the wanna-haves? That's crap....and the bast%rds have won the war! F that,bro!





May the Fart be with you!!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So the logic is not to have handguns or weapons or anything of value at your home..or don't buy a new car because you'll be a target for the wanna-haves? That's crap....and the bast%rds have won the war! F that,bro!

May the Fart be with you!!

NO.

The logic is to have all things of value in jumbo size
so they wont be carried away easily. Gigantic handguns
jewlrey, and dollar bills.
Im talkin Pee Wee Herman big.

Of course thats not the logic. You read that in.
The obvious point is that if a common criminal
does enter your fortress:

Its cash, jewlery, guns. Is that difficult to understand?
Do you keep lots of paper bills to wad up and throw at criminals?
Oh I forgot credit cards can be flung to decapitate mice
that may infiltrate a domicile.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So they go for the handgun
in the drawer cause that is your accessible defense.
It makes sense. Handguns are much more useful
because they are easy to handle. Your rifle for deer...?
Nah...

My wife would kill me (strangulation or food poisoning)
before she ever let a gun in the house. Daughter off
to college, does not matter.

But....

If we lived out aways, without police close... And we got
robbed. I bet she might ask me to go to class and apply
to use one of her dad's old handguns (currently with sis). Its a funny
thing how people are apt to change with experience or
bad experiences.

I consider my body a lethal weapon (especially my intestines
after the right type of dinner), so I have no worries.

see, that's the thing. we're out in the middle of nowhere, and i sure don't want to have to count on these yahoos to 'protect' me. that's a laugh. the closest city to me is el dorado-an hour away, population of about 22k. then there's monroe la, an hour south-not much bigger than el dorado. closest 'large' city is little rock-and that's over two hours away. i don't think most of the folks in this thread engaging in this debate can relate to the situation here at all. i have FAR more danger from the animal population than from the human one.
as for the handgun, like i sait-it was a hand me down-and the only one i own...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

NO.

The logic is to have all things of value in jumbo size
so they wont be carried away easily. Gigantic handguns
jewlrey, and dollar bills.
Im talkin Pee Wee Herman big.

Of course thats not the logic. You read that in.
The obvious point is that if a common criminal
does enter your fortress:

Its cash, jewlery, guns. Is that difficult to understand?
Do you keep lots of paper bills to wad up and throw at criminals?
Oh I forgot credit cards can be flung to decapitate mice
that may infiltrate a domicile.

Your posts are my point. Live the simplistic life for fear some cur would value something of yours and try to take it! They can bring it on! On second thought, P......maybe you can sit down and negotiate with them

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Your posts are my point. Live the simplistic life for fear some cur would value something of yours and try to take it! They can bring it on! On second thought, P......maybe you can sit down and negotiate with them

I am into survival.
Take the stuff.
I would rather not kill anyone.
If they are that desperate they can have it.
No negotiations, Im out the back door.

No confrontations that are not on my terms.
Hopefully we will meet down the line in more
favorable circumstances.

And I live the simplistic life because I am simple.
I live in a neighborhood with one entrance, lots
of retired folks prevents day robberies, and a police substation
3 miles away. So I do understand your circumstances.
I have not been robbed, so I retain the right to act like
a chicken when I dont have a clear upper hand.

[hi_im_god]

how many people posting on this thread have actually used their gun to confront an intruder?

just raise your hand.

now all those with overwrought paranoid fantasies about the dangers of the world and the need for all of us to arm ourselves, please just continue exposing your friends and family to one bad judgement.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

how many people posting on this thread have actually used their gun to confront an intruder?

just raise your hand.

now all those with overwrought paranoid fantasies about the dangers of the world and the need for all of us to arm ourselves, please just continue exposing your friends and family to one bad judgement.

...bird on a wire, you are....

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

...bird on a wire, you are....

you didn't need to post.

you could have just raised your hand.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you didn't need to post.

you could have just raised your hand.

never needed a gun....hope not to.....

But you carry on...

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

never needed a gun....hope not to.....

But you carry on...

i guess i don't get the reference then.

i took it as "easy prey". which would be odd if you don't actually own a gun yourself.

are you a big leonard cohen fan and just randomly post his song titles?

what did you mean?

[timmgirvan]

Bird on a wire dies slowly over a period of time due to the current encased
by the wire they roost upon. In every situation in life, one should be prepared
for any challenges.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

how many people posting on this thread have actually used their gun to confront an intruder?

I kilt a big frggn rat eating my neighbors dog food.
With BB gun. I shot him in the anus. He hobbled.
I then was able to approach and shot the rodent
in the head. I threw the beast over the fence.

It was not a good day for anyone.

Remorse spread quickly amongst the
gentle folk.

I will now retire to my place of slumber unarmed.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Bird on a wire dies slowly over a period of time due to the current encased
by the wire they roost upon. In every situation in life, one should be prepared
for any challenges.

i don't know where that rumor got started.

if the bird completes a circuit they die instantly.

otherwise, all of us live in a "nest" surrounded by electricity.

do i need to be worried about my lamp now?