4/4 (AQU): Wood (G1); Carter (G1); Bay Shore (G3); Excelsior (G3)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

Of course it is not your problem but your response really reiterates my point. The fans are an afterthought in racing. AQU could have waited 1 stinking minute but since it wasn't thier problem they didn't.

I understand, you want a fight, or why else would you put words in my mouth like " it's not our problem, " which is something that I distinctly did not say. We, at NYRA, went to great lengths to accomodate our fans. We were producing a live one hour broadcast which included two Grade 1 Stakes. We also moved our Wood post a number of minutes so that there would not be an overlap with the Illinois Derby. However, in doing so, we left ourselves very little room to show the Carter should there be any delay in either the Wood being run, being made official, or the Carter being run. Had the Illinois Derby gone off at the scheduled post time, there would not have been a problem, but if we had waited for their " new " post time we might well have run into one. We could have scheduled things differently, and run the Wood earlier, I suppose, if we knew the Illinois Derby was going to break at 5:18, but that was not the scheduled time we were working with.

Instead of pointing fingers, and laying blame, maybe you need to think this entire thing through again.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I don't get it. I watched the start of the IL Derby till they were on the backstretch, caught the start of the Wood and then watched the Illinois end and then back to the Wood. And then watched the replays. How does it diminish the experience? 15 seconds after each race is over you can watch the thing 10,000 times on computer or race replay or right on the feed from the track. What's the difference? I was interested in races from Gulfstream and elsewhere that were going at the same time... I watched them later. You have to see it live or somehow the result is going to be different? Hawthorne got off late. It happens. Had there been a National tie-in broadcast, they could have balanced the starts differently. Otherwise, EVERYONE STICKS TO THEIR SCHEDULE to make it most easy to accomodate widely at OTB's and on broadcasting entities.

You win... Again I am not talking about anything other than Derby Preps. As a Customer I voiced a displeasure with something and those related to the industry made it out that I am in the wrong , the bad guy. Still love your picks and your show but our opinions differ here. Good luck today.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand, you want a fight, or why else would you put words in my mouth like " it's not our problem, " which is something that I distinctly did not say. We, at NYRA, went to great lengths to accomodate our fans. We were producing a live one hour broadcast which included two Grade 1 Stakes. We also moved our Wood post a number of minutes so that there would not be an overlap with the Illinois Derby. However, in doing so, we left ourselves very little room to show the Carter should there be any delay in either the Wood being run, being made official, or the Carter being run. Had the Illinois Derby gone off at the scheduled post time, there would not have been a problem, but if we had waited for their " new " post time we might well have run into one. We could have scheduled things differently, and run the Wood earlier, I suppose, if we knew the Illinois Derby was going to break at 5:18, but that was not the scheduled time we were working with.

Instead of pointing fingers, and laying blame, maybe you need to think this entire thing through again.

Not looking for a fight. As a customer I had an issue, raised it and the responses I got kind of disappointed me...

PS.. If I wanted a fight, I am in the wrong bar and picking it with the wrong people....

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Things happen too when you're dealing with animals. Shoe adjustments, paddock incidents, etc. You also realize that there are OTB and the racing networks broadcasts that are working off the SCHEDULED start times? IN FACT, the job done balancing the action has been quite remarkable the last several weeks as big race after big race went off in succession.

This should really be enough said.

Given the incredible slate of races that were scheduled to go off within minutes of each other, it was amazing that it basically went like clockwork. With the exception of what, little more than a 45 second overlap of two races?

And nobody to blame but Hawthorne, because from the feed I was watching, I didn't gather that anything important was happening in those extra 2.5 minutes -- nothing more than random milling around and additional late wagering.

Just hard for me to get too worked up over this. The entire schedule seemed overwhelming in advance, and it nearly went perfectly.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

You win... Again I am not talking about anything other than Derby Preps. As a Customer I voiced a displeasure with something and those related to the industry made it out that I am in the wrong , the bad guy. Still love your picks and your show but our opinions differ here. Good luck today.

Once again, you read what you want to hear, and nobody said you were " wrong. " What I am trying to do is explain the situation so that perhaps you can understand it more clearly. It's up to you whether or not you want to understand things more clearly.

If you don't think I work tirelessly, with the fans' interests at heart, then you are mistaken.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Once again, you read what you want to hear, and nobody said you were " wrong. " What I am trying to do is explain the situation so that perhaps you can understand it more clearly. It's up to you whether or not you want to understand things more clearly.

If you don't think I work tirelessly, with the fans' interests at heart, then you are mistaken.

Andy... Please do not think I am taking issue with what you are doing because I am not.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

You win... Again I am not talking about anything other than Derby Preps. As a Customer I voiced a displeasure with something and those related to the industry made it out that I am in the wrong , the bad guy. Still love your picks and your show but our opinions differ here. Good luck today.

No win/loss... I understand what you mean and your complaint. I'm so used to watching replays I don't mind if I don't see every step of every race live. G/L today!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand, you want a fight, or why else would you put words in my mouth like " it's not our problem, " which is something that I distinctly did not say. We, at NYRA, went to great lengths to accomodate our fans. We were producing a live one hour broadcast which included two Grade 1 Stakes. We also moved our Wood post a number of minutes so that there would not be an overlap with the Illinois Derby. However, in doing so, we left ourselves very little room to show the Carter should there be any delay in either the Wood being run, being made official, or the Carter being run. Had the Illinois Derby gone off at the scheduled post time, there would not have been a problem, but if we had waited for their " new " post time we might well have run into one. We could have scheduled things differently, and run the Wood earlier, I suppose, if we knew the Illinois Derby was going to break at 5:18, but that was not the scheduled time we were working with.

Instead of pointing fingers, and laying blame, maybe you need to think this entire thing through again.

I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I am not making an excuse for Imperial Council -- well, at least, partly -- but he threw a fit in the walking ring before the race; he scared the crap out of a bunch of folks who were near him.

Also when it was "riders' up" time, Imperial Council was already in flight before his jockey was up.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockand...es/3413852466/

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?

I happen to agree, basically, with the orginal poster's contention that these races should not be run with any overlap. However, a serious attempt was made to do this yesterday, and the Illinois Derby going off four full minutes after their scheduled post caused yesterday's situation. Being that the Wood had already been moved to accomodate things, I just don't know what more we could have done, especially in light of our live broadcast encompassing two races. I wish the Illinois Derby had gone off in time for both races to have been seen live by any single viewer.

[golfer]

I did think it was a bit strange how little time there was between scratching the 8 horse in the first race, then running the race. Is that normal procedure? Ended up saving me a few $ when I got shut out trying to re-arrange my wagers.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I happen to agree, basically, with the orginal poster's contention that these races should not be run with any overlap. However, a serious attempt was made to do this yesterday, and the Illinois Derby going off four full minutes after their scheduled post caused yesterday's situation. Being that the Wood had already been moved to accomodate things, I just don't know what more we could have done, especially in light of our live broadcast encompassing two races. I wish the Illinois Derby had gone off in time for both races to have been seen live by any single viewer.

I didn't get to watch the Wood for at least 15 minutes after it was official..TVG couldn't show it live why i have no clue and NBC didn't even make mention of the race at all...Why i have no clue..Infact other then youbet I was in the dark... I have 60" TV's why in the word do I want to watch it streaming in a 4" box... To me the issue is why didn't NBC cover the race.. Who needed to watch the bloated Zayat and that fraud of poly horse POTN run against Kaka?

[Kasept]

Fred,

You could have watched it on MSG Network... They had the NYRA-produced broadcast.

[Linny]

freddymo, you have an issue with the network, not NYRA.
The NYRA guys were doing a 1 hour show for MSG-Plus and were on a tight schedule. They already shifted to accomodate HAW. I have no idea why HAW was late, I was at the rail at AQU when it was run.
Because my job often involves scheduling racing on TV, I can tell you that it's not easy co-ordinating between the track feeds of as many as 6 tracks. If one track is slow to load, has a late scratch or or just gets behind it messes up the whole thing.
Actually races start late more often than on time and to avoid any conflict the tracks should schedule such races at least 10 minutes apart. That can't always happen.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Fred,

You could have watched it on MSG Network... They had the NYRA-produced broadcast.

I guess its obviously I don't have anyone who cares about my welfare at NYRA..lol Who would have thought MSG would have the rights.. On a serious note have they purchased the signal for other dates?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Linny

freddymo, you have an issue with the network, not NYRA.
The NYRA guys were doing a 1 hour show for MSG-Plus and were on a tight schedule. They already shifted to accomodate HAW. I have no idea why HAW was late, I was at the rail at AQU when it was run.
Because my job often involves scheduling racing on TV, I can tell you that it's not easy co-ordinating between the track feeds of as many as 6 tracks. If one track is slow to load, has a late scratch or or just gets behind it messes up the whole thing.
Actually races start late more often than on time and to avoid any conflict the tracks should schedule such races at least 10 minutes apart. That can't always happen.

I have no issues with NYRA other then they hired Serling...I used to hate NYRA because they were corrupt and unaccountable but recently they have done a fine job.. I really didn't see MSG advertise the race it would have been cool to actually see it live..

As for TVG...I actually think they do a fairly good job and find many of the the folks they have on TV fairly entertaining

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I didn't get to watch the Wood for at least 15 minutes after it was official..TVG couldn't show it live why i have no clue and NBC didn't even make mention of the race at all...Why i have no clue..Infact other then youbet I was in the dark... I have 60" TV's why in the word do I want to watch it streaming in a 4" box... To me the issue is why didn't NBC cover the race.. Who needed to watch the bloated Zayat and that fraud of poly horse POTN run against Kaka?

Didn't NBC show the stretch of the Wood? I was channel jumping so I'm not sure where I caught it. Regardless, the coverage was quite slim.

[jms62]

To be completely honest here. I just now considered MSG coverage of the Wood. The decision to start before the Illinois finished may have been totally out of NYRA's hands.... Although it still sucks for the racing fan.. (And that opinion will never change) I wasn't aware of I Want Revenges extremely troubled start until I actually saw the repeat. I feel I missed out on a performance for the ages. It's like watching a repeat of last years Super Bowl when you already knew the outcome.

[philcski]

So has anybody heard anything about Biker Boy? He was heading sideways in the stretch, looked like a physical issue but he still managed to finish 4th.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I don't get it. I watched the start of the IL Derby till they were on the backstretch, caught the start of the Wood and then watched the Illinois end and then back to the Wood. And then watched the replays. How does it diminish the experience? 15 seconds after each race is over you can watch the thing 10,000 times on computer or race replay or right on the feed from the track. What's the difference? I was interested in races from Gulfstream and elsewhere that were going at the same time... I watched them later. You have to see it live or somehow the result is going to be different? Hawthorne got off late. It happens. Had there been a National tie-in broadcast, they could have balanced the starts differently. Otherwise, EVERYONE STICKS TO THEIR SCHEDULE to make it most easy to accomodate widely at OTB's and on broadcasting entities.

But if you are at an OTB or at home trying to bet it sucks. If tracks, half of which have the same owners, staggered their 1st post times ,races would not run into each other. It's five minutes, 10 tops. They can't afford that?