Rachel Alexandra - Page 6

Gander · #**101** 05-02-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pretty good for a horse that wouldnt vet out. The field wasnt great but an effortless 20 length victory in the KY Oaks is pretty damn impressive. Dont know the vet who failed her but he spared us the sight of some unattractive connections celebrating in the winners circle.

IEAH?

SOREHOOF · #**102** 05-02-2009, 09:27 AM

B. C. on poly proves nothing in my book.

Danzig · #**103** 05-02-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

IEAH?

yep

so, they've bought into three horses, paying out oodles of money. that's gotten them no oaks runner, and now, no derby starters either.
they need to re-think their strategic plan.

miraja2 · #**104** 05-02-2009, 08:32 PM

RA was flattered today by Afleet Deceit (who RA defeated soundly on several occasions at OP).
Today Afleet Deceit won the Double Delta at AP by two, finishing over 5 lengths in front of Ashland winner Hooh Why.

herkhorse · #**105** 05-03-2009, 08:48 AM

.... would have whipped some a$$ in the Derby.

sumitas · #**106** 05-03-2009, 02:33 PM

On the tgraph rotw Oaks/Derby seminar Dr. Brown said he was asked to identify a filly for purchase last year . It was Rachel Alexandra and the party did buy 50 % but failed to pay Brown his commission, he claims . He hopes that is settled in the Ky. courts.

sumitas · #**107** 05-03-2009, 02:44 PM

They might be called to testify in that case .

The Indomitable DrugS · #**108** 05-03-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

His '03 Vosburgh win was my favorite. His turn of foot was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxoPR7THZvM

Consider that he went wire-to-wire a year later in winning the BC Classic.

His 3yo return race might have been my favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSo-M...eature=related

When he broke with the field and starting dropping out of it I remember saying "damn.. he's ruined."

His debut race as a 2yo was great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWklJ...eature=related

CSC · #**109** 05-03-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by monipenny

Why the hell does this deflect from what the Zapper did in his brief career. I truly believe his most magnificent victory was his last- the Met Mile. Jon Nerud called Frankel after the race and said " the greatest milers have the most influence on the breed in racing."

Do I really have to give you an answer for you to understand? You really want me to...Okay then, think of Roger Clemons before the steroids scandal, and now think of him after the scandal. Notice any difference of your thoughts towards him?

NTamm1215 · #**110** 05-03-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Do I really have to give you an answer for you to understand? You really want me to...Okay then, think of Roger Clemons before the steroids scandal, and now think of him after the scandal. Notice any difference of your thoughts towards him?

Are you trying to say that Ghostzapper's career has something to do with Frankel's usage of drugs on his horses? If so, I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

NT

CSC · #**111** 05-03-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Are you trying to say that Ghostzapper's career has something to do with Frankel's usage of drugs on his horses? If so, I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

NT

GZ would probably been a very good racehorse regardless if he was on anything or not, just as Roger was a very good pitcher before he his physique began noticably changing. Then he became even better, wonder why... I hate to generalize but back in those days Frankel horses would win with bad trips, good trips, peculiar trips, I know I bet him quite often to some success. I'm not sure why you think I am dead wrong, if so I am interested why you think so.

HaloWishingwell · #**112** 05-03-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

It was a tremendous performance, but let's not carried away.
Part of what made Sec's Belmont so great was that Sham was a very good horse. The horses she destroyed today are nowhere close to being as good as Sham.
Still, she is darn good. No question about that.

I wasn't comparing it to SECRETARIAT. I was asking if it could be the female version of his race. Regardless of what was behind her I can't remember a race won by a filly or mare by that margin and ease.

NTamm1215 · #**113** 05-03-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

GZ would probably been a very good racehorse regardless if he was on anything or not, just as Roger was a very good pitcher before he his physique began noticably changing. Then he became even better, wonder why... I hate to generalize but back in those days Frankel horses would win with bad trips, good trips, peculiar trips, I know I bet him quite often to some success. I'm not sure why you think I am dead wrong, if so I am interested why you think so.

First of all, you're equating two things that are incredibly different. Roger Clemens' alleged HGH usage and you accusing Frankel of using steroids (i think) are pretty different.

Frankel had a great run in the early part of this decade because he had excellent horses. Having Edmund Gann's business was strong, he was getting good horses from Juddmonte left and right and Stronach basically gave him everything that could run.

He has since fallen on hard(er) times but to try to soil a horse like Ghostzapper's record because you suppose Frankel was using steroids on him is unfair. It takes away from a horse who despite a wealth of physical problems, accomplished many incredible feats and brought his best every time he ran.

Most of all, I think you're wrong because of your complete generalization. You seem to remember Frankel horses winning with all kinds of trips, and now you don't, so I guess he was using. Those just aren't steps I have in my way of thinking.

NT

CSC · #**114** 05-03-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

First of all, you're equating two things that are incredibly different. Roger Clemens' alleged HGH usage and you accusing Frankel of using steroids (i think) are pretty different.

Frankel had a great run in the early part of this decade because he had excellent horses. Having Edmund Gann's business was strong, he was getting good horses from Juddmonte left and right and Stronach basically gave him everything that could run.

He has since fallen on hard(er) times but to try to soil a horse like Ghostzapper's record because you suppose Frankel was using steroids on him is unfair. It takes away from a horse who despite a wealth of physical problems, accomplished many incredible feats and brought his best every time he ran.

Most of all, I think you're wrong because of your complete generalization. You seem to remember Frankel horses winning with all kinds of trips, and now you don't, so I guess he was using. Those just aren't steps I have in my way of thinking.

NT

It does for me, You don't think he has talented horses in his stable right now? We saw 2 just yesterday in Visit and Zambezi Sun. You'll probably say it is a generalization but there was a time when Frankel entered in a stakes race, regardless of trip, class jump, layoff you would most likely find him in the winner's circle.

CSC · #**115** 05-03-2009, 10:14 PM

I am curious would the same thought process apply to St. Liam? Or is his reputation tarnished via association with a known cheater. If not why the different standards?

Danzig · #**116** 05-03-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I am curious would the same thought process apply to St. Liam? Or is his reputation tarnished via association with a known cheater. If not why the different standards?

there were doubts/questions about st liam. and the horse that was sent to canada....the name escapes me. i hate when that happens.

IrishofNDMan · #**117** 05-04-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Well tomorrow Borel will have to put up his #1 finger 20 times when he eases MINE THAT BIRD last to the wire.

not that I had Mine that Bird but I love seeing this lol.

JDank34 · #**118** 05-04-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Well tomorrow Borel will have to put up his #1 finger 20 times when he eases MINE THAT BIRD last to the wire.

good call on that Calvin easing Mine That Bird to the wire!!

You just got the placing wrong.

smuthg · #**119** 05-04-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I wasn't comparing it to SECRETARIAT. I was asking if it could be the female version of his race. Regardless of what was behind her I can't remember a race won by a filly or mare by that margin and ease.

Didn't Inside Information destroy the field at Belmont in the 95' Distaff?

HaloWishingwell · #**120** 05-04-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

not that I had Mine that Bird but I love seeing this lol.

When I was watching the race and was wondering who the hell was that horse coming up the rail I looked at my program and my jaw just dropped while thinking about this exact same quote. I couldn't believe it but I dont regret saying it if they ran the race again.