Rachel Alexandra sale pending; Preakness possible? - Page 6

Danzig · #**101** 05-06-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In my opinion it's more likely he rides Rachel, wins and watches Mine That Bird finish a non threatening 8th.

i think so. i think borel knows damn well it was a case of lucky rather than good in the derby as far as the horse is concerned. he knows what he's got with the filly.
it's been ages since a filly won the preakness-i'd love to see her give it a shot.

freddymo · #**102** 05-06-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

no court case, no hold up on a stud deal. he'd have retired him in a heartbeat for the $$$. since he was hamstrung, he went for the earnings record since he was already running curlin.

Why because 80% of 30mil is changing Jess's lifestyle... I am fairly positive that is incorrect..

Cannon Shell · #**103** 05-06-2009, 07:26 PM

Honestly I am not sure that 10 million is a great deal for this filly. The govt is surely going to get a big chunk of that simply because I doubt either owner has an operation that has anywhere close to that in expenses to write off against the gain. Obviously they can buy horses to make up the difference but in doing so you create expenses which cut into your profit again. The chances of getting another horse of this ability are virtually nil and even if she were to never race again i would think that you could get somewhere in the 6 million dollar range for her as a Broodmare. If she continues to run as well as she has then the upside isnt there over 10 million but the ride has got to be worth something. While 10 million is real close to as much as you could ever get for a filly if she continues to dominate Sheik Mo would give you that much in November. While I am the first person that would sell a horse that I owned if a good offer came up, this one isnt the slam dunk that it looks like.

Trainers usually get 5-10% from a sale out of the barn. Hopefully the owners take of Hal with the 10% he deserves for developing her to this point. Hal will also take care of the barn help because thats the kind of guy he is.

While there is a suit pending against one of the owners there is no reason to believe that Jerry Brown is in the right here without knowing the entire story.

I will say that Jess Jackson being back on the national scene at least gives me someone to root against now that Mullins has broke down I Want Revenge.

Danzig · #**104** 05-06-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Why because 80% of 30mil is changing Jess's lifestyle... I am fairly positive that is incorrect..

well, i don't know what to tell you. the 30 mill might not be life-changing, but jess hasn't built his bottom line by not doing the best thing financially. curlin would earn scads more in the barn than he would on the track..and jackson said a hundred times or more that 'curlin could contribute to the gene pool'. he wanted a deal after the bcc, none was forthcoming because no one wanted a part of the midnight cry b.s. he tried to resolve it and could not.

Cannon Shell · #**105** 05-06-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

He wanted to run Curlin at 4 the court case didn't hurt running him at 4 but I never thought he would have retired the colt at 3.

You are as wrong about this as you were about Paragallos feeding program

Danzig · #**106** 05-06-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Honestly I am not sure that 10 million is a great deal for this filly. The govt is surely going to get a big chunk of that simply because I doubt either owner has an operation that has anywhere close to that in expenses to write off against the gain. Obviously they can buy horses to make up the difference but in doing so you create expenses which cut into your profit again. The chances of getting another horse of this ability are virtually nil and even if she were to never race again i would think that you could get somewhere in the 6 million dollar range for her as a Broodmare. If she continues to run as well as she has then the upside isnt there over 10 million but the ride has got to be worth something. While 10 million is real close to as much as you could ever get for a filly if she continues to dominate Sheik Mo would give you that much in November. While I am the first person that would sell a horse that I owned if a good offer came up, this one isnt the slam dunk that it looks like.

Trainers usually get 5-10% from a sale out of the barn. Hopefully the owners take of Hal with the 10% he deserves for developing her to this point. Hal will also take care of the barn help because thats the kind of guy he is.

While there is a suit pending against one of the owners there is no reason to believe that Jerry Brown is in the right here without knowing the entire story.

I will say that Jess Jackson being back on the national scene at least gives me someone to root against now that Mullins has broke down I Want Revenge.

i saw that the owner (lanzman i believe) is mad because some suggested a more 'nefarious' (his word) reason for IWR scratching. what does he expect, having mullins for a trainer? for having a trainer who is currently serving a suspension? yeah, that all came out of left field....

Cannon Shell · #**107** 05-06-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i saw that the owner (lanzman i believe) is mad because some suggested a more 'nefarious' (his word) reason for IWR scratching. what does he expect, having mullins for a trainer? for having a trainer who is currently serving a suspension? yeah, that all came out of left field....

Exactly. Like signing Pacman jones then being shocked when he gets in trouble.

IrishofNDMan · #**108** 05-06-2009, 07:32 PM

Working all day so just seeing this now, anyone know what it looks like the chances of seeing her in the Preakness are?

freddymo · #**109** 05-06-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are as wrong about this as you were about Paragallos feeding program

You mean NON feeding program? OK I yield then

Danzig · #**110** 05-06-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly. Like signing Pacman jones then being shocked when he gets in trouble.

it just makes it difficult because the horses don't know who owns them. they just go out and give it their all. but it's hard, for me at least, to find complete satisfaction when seeing a good horse run when you have to see the characters in the winners circle after.
at least i've seen enough of rachel to know that she's good, damned good. but i hate seeing assman get a good one. to be rewarded for the way he's handled his career-it stinks.

freddymo · #**111** 05-06-2009, 07:39 PM

Ashado brought how much as a barren mare 8mil and this filly sold for 10mil I think she was cheap at 10 mil if 10mil can ever be cheap..

freddymo · #**112** 05-06-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it just makes it difficult because the horses don't know who owns them. they just go out and give it their all. but it's hard, for me at least, to find complete satisfaction when seeing a good horse run when you have to see the characters in the winners circle after.
at least i've seen enough of rachel to know that she's good, damned good. but i hate seeing assman get a good one. to be rewarded for the way he's handled his career-it stinks.

Success brings Success..Money follows money..Life's a big circle and every dog has his day..

KirisClown · #**113** 05-06-2009, 07:45 PM

She's the best filly since Ruffian, they could have held out and sold her for 3X the amount they got.

She'll now go on to win the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup, BC Ladies Classic on Friday and finish up the year winning the BC Classic on Saturday...

Danzig · #**114** 05-06-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Success brings Success..Money follows money..Life's a big circle and every dog has his day..

i understand all that. but the way certain people achieve their success is where i have a problem. the way others give them opportunities because of their mode of operation is another.

freddymo · #**115** 05-06-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

She's the best filly since Ruffian, they could have held out and sold her for 3X the amount they got.

She'll now go on to win the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup, BC Ladies Classic on Friday and finish up the year winning the BC Classic on Saturday...

I think to accomplish the BC double will require some help from Richard Dutrow

Danzig · #**116** 05-06-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I think to accomplish the BC double will require some help from Richard Dutrow

not with assman in the house.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**117** 05-06-2009, 07:55 PM

If you eliminate Asmussen's early season 2yo's - his training stats are pretty mediocre overall in terms of the categories in which I focus.

He's not a magic guy .... and the vast majority of his horses seem to absolutely suck on turf and synthetic race tracks. His numbers on those two surfaces are embarassing.

I realize he's been caught cheating and everything ... but I'm not a results queen when it comes to that.

I'm more suspicous of the guys with mind-boggling numbers and relatively cleaner records.

freddymo · #**118** 05-06-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

not with assman in the house.

The Golden Man still looks fresh a daisy in 7500 claimers

freddymo · #**119** 05-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you eliminate Asmussen's early season 2yo's - his training stats are pretty mediocre overall in terms of the categories in which I focus.

He's not a magic guy .... and the vast majority of his horses seem to absolutely suck on turf and synthetic race tracks. His numbers on those two surfaces are embarassing.

I realize he's been caught cheating and everything ... but I'm not a results queen when it comes to that.

I'm more suspicous of the guys with mind-boggling numbers and relatively cleaner records.

They are clean until you hire them then they get busted.. BTW the filly is so friggin cute too bad she will most likely be a pig lol

Danzig · #**120** 05-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you eliminate Asmussen's early season 2yo's - his training stats are pretty mediocre overall in terms of the categories in which I focus.

He's not a magic guy .... and the vast majority of his horses seem to absolutely suck on turf and synthetic race tracks. His numbers on those two surfaces are embarassing.

I realize he's been caught cheating and everything ... but I'm not a results queen when it comes to that.

I'm more suspicous of the guys with mind-boggling numbers and relatively cleaner records.

yeah, he doesn't seem to have that figured out at all-pretty interesting that someone can get results on one surface, but not another...but we're all supposed to treat the main track, dirt or not, as all being equal.