NBA Championship: Lakers Vs. Magic

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hedo isnt much, much quicker than anyone.

Dirk goes to the hole all the time. I dont know what you guys have been watching but if you want i can put up video.

NOT from the perimeter.

And yes, Hedo is much, much quicker than Dirk
with the ball.

They play a diff. game. Turkeyglue initiates offense,
Dirk plays closer to the basket with the ball. And waits
at the 3 point line for shots away from the basket.
It is quite obvious. To me anyway.

The white European lumping syndrome is a strong draw.

[dalakhani]

Will youtube video settle it or will i hear some lame excuse telling me that what i have watched for the last ten years isnt real?

Dirk handles the ball well from any point on the floor and he drives to the basket and he can go coast to coast and run the break.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Will youtube video settle it or will i hear some lame excuse telling me that what i have watched for the last ten years isnt real?

Dirk handles the ball well from any point on the floor and he drives to the basket and he can go coast to coast and run the break.

I only read posts in paragraph form so I don't even know that you are arguing at this point in haiku. What I do know is that Hedo is far more effective as a point than Dirk could ever be.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I only read posts in paragraph form so I don't even know that you are arguing at this point in haiku. What I do know is that Hedo is far more effective as a point than Dirk could ever be.

I dont debate that. Hedo handles the ball better than dirk. I never said he didnt. I just debate the silly notion that Dirk CAN'T handle the ball and that he DOESNT penetrate or run the break. Thats silly. I've watched him for years and I don't remember too many players his size that could handle the ball that well.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Will youtube video settle it or will i hear some lame excuse telling me that what i have watched for the last ten years isnt real?

Dirk handles the ball well from any point on the floor and he drives to the basket and he can go coast to coast and run the break.

How can any of us debate with this? HOW????

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

How can any of us debate with this? HOW????

Read back through the read. The notion that Hedo and dirk as comparable in skills was thrashed as if i was comparing mugsy bogues with chuck nevitt. I called hedo a poor man's dirk and it was if they don't do many of the same things. One person said that Dirk can't penetrate. Was that you?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Read back through the read. The notion that Hedo and dirk as comparable in skills was thrashed as if i was comparing mugsy bogues with chuck nevitt. I called hedo a poor man's dirk and it was if they don't do many of the same things. One person said that Dirk can't penetrate. Was that you?

I'm done. Debating this says more about me than it does anything else.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm done. Debating this says more about me than it does anything else.

It was your choice to debate it not mine. I thought what you were saying was pretty silly to begin with.

[dalakhani]

This was part of your quote about dirk:

"Both create their own shot off of the dribble and don't need screens and picks to get open. Both are good outside shooters but not great. Both can get to the basket. Both rebound fairly well and play slight defense. Both can go to the boards and get it off and take it up the floor. Dirk can't do most of those things. He can shoot off the dribble on only two moves. One is the pull-up and the other is the reverse spin dribble. Both of those, he can only do against big guys"


Were you drunk when you typed this? this is just wrong. Dirk can do all of those things.

Dirk getting to the basket-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbkPX...eature=related

Dirk taking it up the floor-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzDs...eature=related

Dirk cant do reverse spin over smaller players? hmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZuMC...eature=related




KG, you are so full of s h i t sometimes. I admit im wrong all the time. Why is it so hard for some of you on here. Its just a stupid internet site.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

This was part of your quote about dirk:

"Both create their own shot off of the dribble and don't need screens and picks to get open. Both are good outside shooters but not great. Both can get to the basket. Both rebound fairly well and play slight defense. Both can go to the boards and get it off and take it up the floor. Dirk can't do most of those things. He can shoot off the dribble on only two moves. One is the pull-up and the other is the reverse spin dribble. Both of those, he can only do against big guys"


Were you drunk when you typed this? this is just wrong. Dirk can do all of those things.

Dirk getting to the basket-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbkPX...eature=related

Dirk taking it up the floor-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzDs...eature=related

Dirk cant do reverse spin over smaller players? hmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZuMC...eature=related




KG, you are so full of s h i t sometimes. I admit im wrong all the time. Why is it so hard for some of you on here. Its just a stupid internet site.

LOL!!!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Will youtube video settle it or will i hear some lame excuse telling me that what i have watched for the last ten years isnt real?

Dirk handles the ball well from any point on the floor and he drives to the basket and he can go coast to coast and run the break.

This is just not true when compared to Hedo.
You might find an occasion where Tim Duncan
has run a break, but if we consider the entirety
of a season and playoffs, it is quite clear that
Hedo is much more proficient than Dirk from
the perimeter with the ball. It really is not
even debatable imo.

I give you credit for trying to turn the
argument and your persistence.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL!!!

"You guys were right and i was 1000% wrong about this team. Regardless of the outcome of the bet, the nuggets have played much better than I ever imagined."

Thats my quote about the nuggets.

In your 14,183,054 posts chuck, can you find me anything similar? I won't hold my breath.

In 8 years of reading kg's posts, I have never seen it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is just not true when compared to Hedo.
You might find an occasion where Tim Duncan
has run a break, but if we consider the entirety
of a season and playoffs, it is quite clear that
Hedo is much more proficient than Dirk from
the perimeter with the ball. It really is not
even debatable imo.

I give you credit for trying to turn the
argument and your persistence.

I wasnt trying to debate that dirk handles it at as well. Never did. Just the notion that dirk CANT do many of those things. Look back in the thread.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Do you guys not have cable up where you live? Hedo and Dirk are about the same size and play a similar outside in game. Dirk is better but hedo plays a similar style. Dirk may not bring the ball up the floor much but they run the offense through him in a similar way and he handles it a lot in the halfcourt.

Why is that such a bad comparison?

They do not play similar outside games.
Dirk is a spotup 3 guy from the perimeter.
Hedo is much more versatile from the perimeter.

Dirk handles the ball a lot in the halfcourt when
he is backing down a smaller player to shoot
a fallaway jumper. And again, Dirk handles the
ball on the dribble when he is close to the basket,
he does not pull the ball back out to the perimeter
to set up his man for a drive.

Im sure you can find cases where both have done
the opposite of what I have said. But for the
majority of the season and the playoffs, this
is how I see a small part of both player's games.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They do not play similar outside games.
Dirk is a spotup 3 guy from the perimeter.
Hedo is much more versatile from the perimeter.

Dirk handles the ball a lot in the halfcourt when
he is backing down a smaller player to shoot
a fallaway jumper. And again, Dirk handles the
ball on the dribble when he is close to the basket,
he does not pull the ball back out to the perimeter
to set up his man for a drive.

Im sure you can find cases where both have done
the opposite of what I have said. But for the
majority of the season and the playoffs, this
is how I see a small part of both player's games.

Dirk is not a spot up three guy in any offense from anywhere on the floor. He is too big a part of the offense. He handles the ball from any part of the floor although certainly not as much as hedo because its not the same offense. They are similar in skills if not how they are utilized. Dirk certainly being a much better player.

[King Glorious]

I once saw Manute Bol grab a rebound and look for an outlet man. Not finding one, he then dribbled the ball up the court. Stopping at the three point line, he then made the shot. So I guess Manute Bol can now grab boards, push it up and shoot the three as well as Kobe Bryant. I've seen him do it.

Dalakhani seems to not understand that there's a difference between being able to do something and being ABLE to do it. Just because you have an ability to do something doesn't mean you are proficient at doing it. The original point was that Hedo was a poor man's Dirk and that's just not true. They have completely different skills. Dirk can grab a rebound and take it up the floor on occassion. But he's not someone that you want doing that on a consistent basis because he can't. You can't put the ball in his hands and isolate him at the top of the key and have him put the ball on the floor and create offense, either for himself or for his teammates. You don't want Dirk leading your fastbreak and making the pass to the men on the wing. Hell, I saw Tim Duncan make a three point shot. But if I'm coaching against him, I'm giving him that shot all day everyday because he can't make it. He can but he can't. See what I mean?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Dirk is not a spot up three guy in any offense from anywhere on the floor. He is too big a part of the offense. He handles the ball from any part of the floor although certainly not as much as hedo because its not the same offense. They are similar in skills if not how they are utilized. Dirk certainly being a much better player.

Dirk does not handle the ball as much as Hedo
because the cannot handle the ball as well and
he is not as quick. They may run diff. offenses,
but Dirk could not do what Hedo does for the
Orlando offense.

Absolutely agree that Dirk is the better player.
He is Dallas. If Dirk had Howard instead of
the lumbering Dampier... a much tougher team.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I once saw Manute Bol grab a rebound and look for an outlet man. Not finding one, he then dribbled the ball up the court. Stopping at the three point line, he then made the shot. So I guess Manute Bol can now grab boards, push it up and shoot the three as well as Kobe Bryant. I've seen him do it.

Dalakhani seems to not understand that there's a difference between being able to do something and being ABLE to do it. Just because you have an ability to do something doesn't mean you are proficient at doing it. The original point was that Hedo was a poor man's Dirk and that's just not true. They have completely different skills. Dirk can grab a rebound and take it up the floor on occassion. But he's not someone that you want doing that on a consistent basis because he can't. You can't put the ball in his hands and isolate him at the top of the key and have him put the ball on the floor and create offense, either for himself or for his teammates. You don't want Dirk leading your fastbreak and making the pass to the men on the wing. Hell, I saw Tim Duncan make a three point shot. But if I'm coaching against him, I'm giving him that shot all day everyday because he can't make it. He can but he can't. See what I mean?

Theres a difference that YOU don't understand. Dallas has always had an outstanding point guard while dirk was there. From Nash, terry, harris and now kidd. Of course dirk isnt going to be running the break as much. Of course he isnt going to be creating as much from the perimeter. He has guys around that do it better.

Hedo plays with perhaps the worst pg in the NBA and certainly one of the ten worst. Before that he played with Jameer nelson who was good but certainly not on the level of the dallas guards that dirk has played with. Look at his role when he was in Sactown. Believe that if necessary, dirk could play the same role. If you want, i can pull up clips where he does.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Theres a difference that YOU don't understand. Dallas has always had an outstanding point guard while dirk was there. From Nash, terry, harris and now kidd. Of course dirk isnt going to be running the break as much. Of course he isnt going to be creating as much from the perimeter. He has guys around that do it better.

Hedo plays with perhaps the worst pg in the NBA and certainly one of the ten worst. Before that he played with Jameer nelson who was good but certainly not on the level of the dallas guards that dirk has played with. Look at his role when he was in Sactown. Believe that if necessary, dirk could play the same role. If you want, i can pull up clips where he does.

KIdd has a very difficult time creating his own offense.
For at least 2 years now. He is a distributor. If anything
Hedo's role on Orlando should have worked well for Dirk
at Dallas.

Alston can create. He is just really inconsistent. And Nelson
is much more of a creator than any of the Dallas points.

Lakers vs. Magic thread? F.UCK THAT. IT'S A DIRK VS. HEDO THREAD NOW!!

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