The Great Republican Hope

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You do understand that some states - like ours - are trying to cheat and get and use that stimulus money for what it is not intended for?

Yeah - you want the money, here is what you can use it for. So sorry there are rules.

The rules are not in the state best interests. You do realize that the states are on the hook when the govt money expires? Where will that extra revenue come from? It would be like me signing you up for an expensive club that you dont want to belong to and paying for 2 years dues for you. Yet the contract states that YOU must continue to pay the dues after that and the prices will go up regardless of your needs or desires.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Don't you have another load of laundry to do, Anticrust32? lol

Tim Floyd is first, Carroll is next...Dirty program, dirty fans...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

oops for you...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Co...cal-Group.aspx

more people identify themselves as Conservatives....

"Oops for me" what? I like conservatives! You might notice that the numbers for conservatives have always been high. You might notice what happens to all the numbers right after the election of any party.

The part of the headline you are ignoring is one of the main reasons the GOP lost this past election, and why the GOP will keep losing elections, as it's associated with age demographics:

Not this part: “Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group -

But this part: "Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s"

[Riot]

[quote=Cannon Shell]The rules are not in the state best interests.QUOTE]

Not when the state has zero interest in using the money for any "economic stimulus", and wants to use it pay down their previously acquired debt, etc.

Yes, having rules about what states can do with received stimulus money stinks! It should just be free pork!

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The rules are not in the state best interests.QUOTE]

Not when the state has zero interest in using the money for any "economic stimulus", and wants to use it pay down their previously acquired debt, etc.

Yes, having rules about what states can do with received stimulus money stinks! It should just be free pork!

Oh boy. You think this wont be more beneficial to the state economically than more social spending?

Pork isnt used to paydown the states debt.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Oops for me" what? I like conservatives! You might notice that the numbers for conservatives have always been high. You might notice what happens to all the numbers right after the election of any party.

The part of the headline you are ignoring is one of the main reasons the GOP lost this past election, and why the GOP will keep losing elections, as it's associated with age demographics:

Not this part: “Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group -

But this part: "Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssional_ballot

Voters not affiliated with either party now favor Republicans by a 38% to 21% margin.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tim Floyd is first, Carroll is next...Dirty program, dirty fans...

I'm actually VERY embarrassed that our alma mater and the great Jim Livingood or whatever (or AD head) actually wanted Tim Floyd to coach the Cats.

Its very very embarrassing. Thank GOD he said no!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm actually VERY embarrassed that our alma mater and the great Jim Livingood or whatever (or AD head) actually wanted Tim Floyd to coach the Cats.

Its very very embarrassing. Thank GOD he said no!

That was a close call

[Riot]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh boy. You think this wont be more beneficial to the state economically than more social spending?

Pork isnt used to paydown the states debt.

Oh boy. You think the taxpayer's money - our money, money that you have whined about Obama spending since the stimulus package idea was instituted - should just be handed out to states to spend as they wish, with zero control or accountability, assuming that whatever the states decide to do will stimulate the economy?

Yes, I know what pork is used for. That is precisely why I used the term.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh boy. You think the taxpayer's money - our money, money that you have whined about Obama spending since the stimulus package idea was instituted - should just be handed out to states to spend as they wish, with zero control or accountability, assuming that whatever the states decide to do will stimulate the economy?

Yes, I know what pork is used for. That is precisely why I used the term.

Actually part of the reason the stimulus isn't creating jobs like it should be is that Congress attached too many restrictions to it. For instance the money was intended to only be used to create jobs and not to replace jobs. So to try and get that result Congress put a restriction that none of the money could be used to create jobs at any company that laid people off. Well guess what, everyone has had layoffs by now so the stimulus money is just sitting in state coffers right now while the states try and figure out how they can spend it with all the restrictions placed on it by Congress.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssional_ballot

Voters not affiliated with either party now favor Republicans by a 38% to 21% margin.

Not as a general "love" thing

The independents questioned involved asking them about their Congressional ballot voting preferences only, and "Support for Democrats is up two points from last week, while support for the GOP is up three points. Support for the GOP is just one point below its highest level found over the past year. Last week’s results for the Democrats tied the lowest level of support for the party during the same period. "

The highest level for the GOP last year was pretty terrible, and it's still below that. The election results played that out.

Now, people, after overwhelmingly "throwing the bums out", and selecting an overwhelmingly Democratic congress, and it seems the independents polled want to get more GOP back into the Congress. I go for that, too. We'll see what happens in a couple years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Actually part of the reason the stimulus isn't creating jobs like it should be is that Congress attached too many restrictions to it. For instance the money was intended to only be used to create jobs and not to replace jobs. So to try and get that result Congress put a restriction that none of the money could be used to create jobs at any company that laid people off. Well guess what, everyone has had layoffs by now so the stimulus money is just sitting in state coffers right now while the states try and figure out how they can spend it with all the restrictions placed on it by Congress.

That's right. The States want that stimulus money, they have to play by the rules they, themselves, via their own Congressmen, voted in.

Not exactly a surprise, it was much-discussed at the time.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh boy. You think the taxpayer's money - our money, money that you have whined about Obama spending since the stimulus package idea was instituted - should just be handed out to states to spend as they wish, with zero control or accountability, assuming that whatever the states decide to do will stimulate the economy?

Yes, I know what pork is used for. That is precisely why I used the term.

Why not? The federal govt has zero control or accountability, why should the states be any different?

If pork money had been used to pay down debt in states, they wouldnt need pork. Why do you insist that the stimulus money is going to actually stimulate the economy when it most certainly wont

The Federal money given to the state is almost entirely used for social programs or for unnecessary short term projects that are hardly crucial. Think CA wouldnt be better off using their stimulus money paying down its debt ?

Paying down states debt would be far more beneficial for the states population as a whole but it isnt sexy, it doesnt win the votes of the socially needy and the Federal govt wouldnt get much credit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's right. The States want that stimulus money, they have to play by the rules they, themselves, via their own Congressmen, voted in.

Not exactly a surprise, it was much-discussed at the time.

And it was wrong then as it is now. If i remember correctly there were three GOP members that voted for this? So if it is screwed up, you know where the blame lies.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6iYOTVWnl4

Sarah Palin is better than any commercial the democrats could come up with not to mention its free. Did any of you see this interview?

This is the problem with the Republican party. Right here. Not Sarah Palin herself...she is just a symptom.

My republican friends on here-Are you really serious about having this human be the face of your party?

i just read this about palin:


Palin may even have been aware of a Gallup poll released last week showing that she attracted less than 1 percent of Republicans who were asked to name the "main person who speaks for the Republican Party today."

[Cannon Shell]

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-06-16.html

Just wanted to make sure Riot saw this...

Alternate ideas!! Lets see how much mainstream coverage it gets...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-06-16.html

Just wanted to make sure Riot saw this...

Alternate ideas!! Lets see how much mainstream coverage it gets...

at the very end of a 5 min PR speech promoting the OB plan the newscaster will say something like "and the GOP released their healthcare plan today. Democrats say it falls woefully short of what is needed" and that will be that

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

at the very end of a 5 min PR speech promoting the OB plan the newscaster will say something like "and the GOP released their healthcare plan today. Democrats say it falls woefully short of what is needed" and that will be that

Or the Dems will say "we won" or they'll say "look at how the Bush tax cuts worked"

[gales0678]

[quote=Antitrust32]Or the Dems will say "we won" or they'll say "look at how the Bush tax cuts worked"[/QUOTE]

in and of themselves they worked , the treasury took in more $$ when the cuts were enacted , GWB had trouble on the other side of the balance sheet, but , he got the revenue side right

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just read this about palin:


Palin may even have been aware of a Gallup poll released last week showing that she attracted less than 1 percent of Republicans who were asked to name the "main person who speaks for the Republican Party today."

Interesting. who did they have as number 1?