Lava Man back in training? - Page 6

King Glorious · #**101** 09-26-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Of course not cause only those in the business do.

King Glorious · #**102** 09-26-2009, 06:29 PM

Precisionist retired for awhile and came back after a long layoff to have some pretty decent success and didn't die.

2Hot4TV · #**103** 09-26-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The tin man is lucky to be alive and Gregs Gold had a bowed tendon, completely different story.

Gregs Gold had stem cells used to help heal his tendon. Some times it's not just hay, oats, water, and work them till they cant run anymore. The way I understand it is that Lava Man is showing the most improvement from the stem cell therapy and everyone involved is egar to see at what level he can comeback at and if the horse is willing,,,,,,,,,,,, I just dont see a problem.

King Glorious · #**104** 09-26-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Gregs Gold had stem cells used to help heal his tendon. Some times it's not just hay, oats, water, and work them till they cant run anymore. The way I understand it is that Lava Man is showing the most improvement from the stem cell therapy and everyone involved is egar to see at what level he can comeback at and if the horse is willing,,,,,,,,,,,, I just dont see a problem.

If you aren't in the business, you don't know what you are talking about.

Cannon Shell · #**105** 09-26-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Of course not cause only those in the business do.

Well you obviously dont. Only an idiot or someone who is severely misinformed would say that age has nothing to do with the physical condition of a horse. And I would be glad to spar with you over knowledge of horses anytime you would like. You see because I have 25 years experience dealing with horses and you have google.

Cannon Shell · #**106** 09-26-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Does " lucky to be alive" mean it was OK to bring him back successfully or is just a random fact that does zero to compliment your suggestion that Lava Man shouldn't try to return to racing. Hot TV is repping a older horse who had serious issues that came back to be successful. Are you suggesting Hot TV is off base or are you suggesting Mandella is lucky? A little help here? Aren't Bowed Tendons fairly serious especially on aged geldings?

I will repeat, The Tin Man is lucky to be alive. You figure it out. And horses dont die from bowed tendons unless their owners put them down.

King Glorious · #**107** 09-26-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well you obviously dont. Only an idiot or someone who is severely misinformed would say that age has nothing to do with the physical condition of a horse. And I would be glad to spar with you over knowledge of horses anytime you would like. You see because I have 25 years experience dealing with horses and you have google.

I don't believe that I said that age has nothing to do with physical condition. What I said was that not all horses that are the same age have the same amount of wear and tear on their bodies. You can't just throw out a blanket statement that he's nine so therefore he's got age specific issues or injuries. Each horse, just like each athlete, is an individual.

Cannon Shell · #**108** 09-26-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Gregs Gold had stem cells used to help heal his tendon. Some times it's not just hay, oats, water, and work them till they cant run anymore. The way I understand it is that Lava Man is showing the most improvement from the stem cell therapy and everyone involved is egar to see at what level he can comeback at and if the horse is willing,,,,,,,,,,,, I just dont see a problem.

Of course you dont. You read about these issues. I deal with them. But it is the internet and you and KG may have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night so......

freddymo · #**109** 09-26-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well you obviously dont. Only an idiot or someone who is severely misinformed would say that age has nothing to do with the physical condition of a horse. And I would be glad to spar with you over knowledge of horses anytime you would like. You see because I have 25 years experience dealing with horses and you have google.

I giggled from the google comment.

RockHardTen1985 · #**110** 09-26-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Why is this such a hot topic? We have a son of Giants Causeway now on the Derby Trail. " Belmont Race 5 today"

Cannon Shell · #**111** 09-26-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't believe that I said that age has nothing to do with physical condition. What I said was that not all horses that are the same age have the same amount of wear and tear on their bodies. You can't just throw out a blanket statement that he's nine so therefore he's got age specific issues or injuries. Each horse, just like each athlete, is an individual.

ok fine. Then the Lava Man would be similar to Sandy Koufax in human terms. There are lots of things that could be done to Koufax that could have kept him pitching but he is now in his 70's so they arent trying to bring him back anymore. And he may even be a gelding too.

Cannon Shell · #**112** 09-26-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why is this such a hot topic? We have a son of Giants Causeway now on the Derby Trail. " Belmont Race 5 today"

Turf horse

King Glorious · #**113** 09-26-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

ok fine. Then the Lava Man would be similar to Sandy Koufax in human terms. There are lots of things that could be done to Koufax that could have kept him pitching but he is now in his 70's so they arent trying to bring him back anymore. And he may even be a gelding too.

Yeah because we have other examples of 70 year olds that can still pitch. That's logical. There are no examples of 9yos that continue to race though. Great analogy.

freddymo · #**114** 09-26-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will repeat, The Tin Man is lucky to be alive. You figure it out. And horses dont die from bowed tendons unless their owners put them down.

So if I am understanding you correctly HOF trainer, legendary conditioner, Richard Mandella, knowningly raced a horse that was part of his barn and personna, with an ailment that should have killed the horse. Well if this is true and I have no reason to think you are lying, there is no hope for horse racing. If one of the most respected trainers in the industry is willing to have the blood of a beloved horse on his hands then what should the public expect from run of the mill juicers trying to pay bills?

RockHardTen1985 · #**115** 09-26-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Turf horse

A Mr. Prospector mare... Hold on let me go Formulate the pedigree....

RolloTomasi · #**116** 09-26-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You read about these issues. I deal with them.

You train Lava Man?

freddymo · #**117** 09-26-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You train Lava Man?

No but he has a Lava Lamp and its very cool..lol

2Hot4TV · #**118** 09-26-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course you dont. You read about these issues. I deal with them. But it is the internet and you and KG may have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night so......

You dont seem to deal very well with them. There are 2 sides of the ladder one goes up and the other goes down. Playing as a trainer and having sucess are two different things.

I dont play myself off to be anything other that a gambler and have owned some horses that raced in California during the mid 80's.

freddymo · #**119** 09-26-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

You dont seem to deal very well with them. There are 2 sides of the ladder one goes up and the other goes down. Playing as a trainer and having sucess are two different things.

I dont play myself off to be anything other that a gambler and have owned some horses that raced in California during the mid 80's.

To be fair, Chuck is a trainer and repps his thoughts as such. Nobody ever agrees with him not even Ruthie..lol

Cannon Shell · #**120** 09-26-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yeah because we have other examples of 70 year olds that can still pitch. That's logical. There are no examples of 9yos that continue to race though. Great analogy.

name an example of a 9 year old that came back off a long layoff to compete at a graded level.