HOL trims stakes purses; Rosario's book to Ebanks - Page 6

jwkniska · #**101** 03-11-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

He isn't good.

Either way, I think things are gonna be different here this summer. I have heard that Von Hemel and Hobby will NOT be coming back. But that is a rumor. That is alot of horses to replace, 60-ish

Baze hired Fedor as his jock agent

The Indomitable DrugS · #**102** 03-11-2010, 11:55 PM

Rosario's stats:

With Vic as agent:

All races: 359-for-1,917 (18.7% wins) $1.90 ROI
Sprints: 222-for-1,170 $1.84 ROI
Routes: 137-for-747 $1.99 ROI
Stakes: 36-for-243 $2.07 ROI

Before having Vic as agent:

All races: 339-for-2,335 (14.5% wins) $2.14 ROI
Sprints: 211-for-1,470 $2.12 ROI
Routes: 128-for-865 $2.18 ROI
Stakes: 15-for-149 $1.49 ROI

I think it's pretty clear that his reputation as a rider improved quite a bit when Vic had his book .... his betting value numbers came down to earth somewhat, but that figured to happen as his name became bigger.

Did he get better as a jockey over that time? No, I don't think so. Still - his reputation and quantity of live mounts improved .. and that's all any rider cares about. I guess it must have annoyed him that he had to share an agent with another young rider like Garcia.

Hard to feel Vic's pain because he's still got a competent young rider in Garcia .. but Garcia isn't the talent Rosario always was.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**103** 03-12-2010, 12:54 AM

The odd thing about Martin Garcia's numbers is how much he struggles on the turf.

He's just 1-for-42 in turf races this year.

In turf routes over the last two years - he's 7-for-132 with an ROI of $0.50.

He's in his 6th year of riding now - and only once has he ever won at a 10% or better clip in turf routes .. that was in 2006 when he went 19-for-160 with a very poor $1.48 ROI.

For his entire career in turf routes he's 47-for-540 with a $1.15 ROI

He's fine in all the other categories.

golfer · #**104** 03-12-2010, 07:30 AM

A little bit more of the story:
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...e.cgi?id=17791

the_fat_man · #**105** 03-12-2010, 08:12 AM

1) "He's the best young rider I've seen," Ebanks said. "The sky's the limit."

2) Michael Baze said he would ride out the Santa Anita meet, then head to Arlington where he will be represented by agent Jay Fedor, who currently handles Corey Nakatani.

3) Tyler Baze, whose ties were severed by Ebanks when he took Rosario, reportedly was set to decide on a new agent shortly.

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1) WTF is everybody smoking? Ebanks must be nearsighted.

2/3) Can you imagine was it must've of been like handling book for not ONE but TWO Bazes? I mean, Southern CAL probably leads the country in RETARDENESS in the jock colony and Tyler and Michael are a big part of this (with Espinoza, whether on or off his meds, who is the preemminent ****** riding presently). It's impossible trying to figure out what these idiots are liable to do any any given point in a race. I mean, you can never assume that they'll do what's expected. Baby sitting two of them must've scarred Ebanks for life. And, I'm sure Ebanks spent many a long 'film' session discussing setups with them, as indicated by the way they ride. (ha ha ha )

much ado about nothing

Give me Kayla Stra, and a couple of weeks to work those premature tendencies out of her, and she could ride with any of these idiots. Of course, teaching jocks how to 'ride' is not part of the agent's job so what's the issue when a jock switches agents?

GBBob · #**106** 03-12-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

A little bit more of the story:
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...e.cgi?id=17791

Unless there is a LOT more to this story than meets the eye, that seems pretty cold.

randallscott35 · #**107** 03-12-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Unless there is a LOT more to this story than meets the eye, that seems pretty cold.

It's a business.

GBBob · #**108** 03-12-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

It's a business.

There are right ways to conduct yourself in business and wrong ways. On the surface, this seems like an emotional decision that a young, immature man made. But, again...only two people know how this really went down.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**109** 03-12-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

However, given the amount of money involved and the personal relationship an agent and his jock need to have, dropping this news via a short phone call seemed chicken-sh*t to me.

It's a step up from E-mail or text message ... no?

GBBob · #**110** 03-12-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's a step up from E-mail or text message ... no?

I know I'm stuck on the principal here...if you have to deliver bad news like this, you do it in person..period. Anyway..moving on..

randallscott35 · #**111** 03-12-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's a step up from E-mail or text message ... no?

Txt would've been better.

Antitrust32 · #**112** 03-12-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He really said he could do better with somebody else? Guess lil Garcia winning the biggest race of the meet had no impact whatsoever on this decision? Vic, I thought ya did a great job for him. Talented people get pretty weird sometimes. Having 2 jocks is just problematic. If you didn't have Marty, and, 2 weeks ago, Baffert offered you the mount on Misremembered...What would you've done? I mean, just saying. That's proly what's going on in J's head.

just guessing but that could be right.

MaTH716 · #**113** 03-12-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

There are right ways to conduct yourself in business and wrong ways. On the surface, this seems like an emotional decision that a young, immature man made. But, again...only two people know how this really went down.

Sounds like someone was in the young man's ear. Probably something like (obviously my own guess/take), "Vic has taken you as far as he could and I could bring up to that next level".
I also do think coming east is part of the equation, if not now then in the near future and Ebanks probably mentioned that Vic has no desire to come east and probably doesn't have the connections that he would (like I said just a guess on my part).
Reguardless, it's a tough blow for Vic and I feel bad for him. But like someone said, it's buisness and unfortunately sometimes a cruel buisness.

freddymo · #**114** 03-12-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Sounds like someone was in the young man's ear. Probably something like (obviously my own guess/take), "Vic has taken you as far as he could and I could bring up to that next level".
I also do think coming east is part of the equation, if not now then in the near future and Ebanks probably mentioned that Vic has no desire to come east and probably doesn't have the connections that he would (like I said just a guess on my part).
Reguardless, it's a tough blow for Vic and I feel bad for him. But like someone said, it's buisness and unfortunately sometimes a cruel buisness.

Vic was proud Rosario never left Ca. Vic told the free world he would never come east. Apparently, that isn't the way to grow your resume as a world class jock. "Hi, my name is Joel Rosario and I only race in a state were TB racing is in serious decline and I am berry berry happy?" You do the math, Math.

DaTruth · #**115** 03-12-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Txt would've been better.

A telegram would have been a nice touch.

-BT- · #**116** 03-12-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

First off, it says that Michael Baze was relocating to Chicago. OMG, that is far from good for me.
2nd off, I heard about a month ago that Rosario was having problems with his weight and his time was limited.

3rd off, how stupid is Joel Rosario. Say what you want about Stauffer, but Rosario has absolutely exploded since Vic got his book. Pre-book, he was another name out there, now he is top three guy. Why break something that isn't close to being a problem.

you, bob, and chuck might wanna get into talks with his agent before he gets out to chicago, wanna make sure he's got first call on all BG mounts

-bt-