Obama's support for Ground Zero Mosque

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your knowledge of Islam seems accumulated from the postings on a few hate sites.

Oh? You don't like that someone actually documents the lack of religious freedom that islam supports. I'm shocked. Simply shocked that you'd attack the messenger. This religion is full of hate for non-Muslims. So, yes, the sites are hate sites. They document the hate in that religion.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "hate group" doesn't seen to be Muslim.

Really? Anybody remember when our Gov't had to beg the leader of Afghanistan to save the life of a Moslem who converted to Christianity? That wasn't Taliban, or Al Quaeda. It was just considered normal Islam in Afghanistan. American Moslems wanting protection of our laws should come out against these things that our laws don't allow. Otherwise, they are just seen as Moslem Hypocrites (wanting their cake n' eat it, too.) That's really what's going on in this case. They want to use our laws to force a Mosque be allowed 2 blocks from the 9/11 site, but they also wont come out against the practices in Islam that are against American Laws.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't see many facts. Mostly the frantic throwing of straw men. It's hard to make a case supporting religious persecution of Americans, in America.

Months ago now, I brought you the facts of "taquiyya" in an effort to expose the tactics of this 'religion of peace'. I'm so tired of this strawman bogus crap...it is you and a few others who continually DONT look at the Facts of this religions' sworn aims,attitudes and actions! Put your head in the sand if you must, but dont tell me that I misrepresent the religion of Islam,or their fanatics.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What did the oath Obama took mean? You know the part about upholding the laws of the land?
Obama is taking heat because he is like a captain lost at sea who seems more concerned with the stowaways than he does for the passengers who have paid and is ignoring 1rst class, the people who basically paid for the ship completely.

the law of the land is the constitution, which is he upholding. i know what he has pointed out is unpopular, yet it is not incorrect. i'm not quite sure what you mean about who is he more concerned with. twist your logic as you will, the fact remains that those who wish to build this center have every right to build it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Muslim terrorists. Pretending that Islam didn't play a role in these attacks is wrong.

Name one "christian" country that you would be afraid to travel freely in.

mexico.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

mexico.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when does freedom of religion extend the right to practice said religion any location they want? So if i run out on the field at a Phillies game but carry a prayer rug they will stop the game so I can pray to mecca and won't tase me? This has little to do with freedom of religion. It has a lot to do with the location of a building. That and an attempt (quite successful I might add) to garner as much publicity as possible.

it might start with the fact they own the property.

people look at this county and want to live here. we're supposed to stand for something here. people think they can come here for a better life, we're supposed to be almost a utopia. but because a fringe group of radical nutjobs did a horrific thing, no one who has a tie to the religion that group was supposedly practicing can live in peace? worship the way they wish? are you saying that a religion who has a criminal element should all be tarred with the same brush? should we tail all catholic priests, assuming they all have nefarious plans? if you say they have a right, i'm not quite sure why you're still arguing this point at all? because the majority is having a kneejerk, bigoted reaction, that makes it right? it's why you're supposed to use logic, not feelings. now, if osama bin laden wanted to build a place for his followers a couple blocks from ground zero, i can see having an issue. people not breaking the law and wanting to practice their religion peacably should be left alone. my god, we sound like hateful religions zealots on this issue-you know like the enemy...some righteous line being taken on this matter, it's embarrassing. are we not smart enough to know where a line is crossed? building a mosque is crossing a line?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh? You don't like that someone actually documents the lack of religious freedom that islam supports. I'm shocked. Simply shocked that you'd attack the messenger. This religion is full of hate for non-Muslims. So, yes, the sites are hate sites. They document the hate in that religion.

i see...what they do is horrible, so we should take a page from their book and act in kind. i thought we were better than that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Really? Anybody remember when our Gov't had to beg the leader of Afghanistan to save the life of a Moslem who converted to Christianity? That wasn't Taliban, or Al Quaeda. It was just considered normal Islam in Afghanistan. American Moslems wanting protection of our laws should come out against these things that our laws don't allow. Otherwise, they are just seen as Moslem Hypocrites (wanting their cake n' eat it, too.) That's really what's going on in this case. They want to use our laws to force a Mosque be allowed 2 blocks from the 9/11 site, but they also wont come out against the practices in Islam that are against American Laws.

by these statements, i see you didn't bother to go to the links i posted that show all the islamic statements by people in this country, as well as others, who spoke out against the terrorist attacks.
as for not agreeing with their religion-so don't convert to islam. allowing that building two blocks from the tower site won't cause conversions, it doesn't break any laws, and it won't protect anyone who happens to be islam who chooses to break a law. your discomfort with their religion doesn't mean they aren't free to practice it.
our laws, our guaranteed rights are for everyone, not just those deemed popular, not just those approved with a majority. it's why free speech is allowed, not just unobjectionable free speech.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sure, why not. i don't think the terrorists hate us because they are muslim. they hate who we are. after all, this country has a small muslim population. i think it has more to do with actions taken, allies we have, etc.

They hate us because we support Isreal. that is the #1 reason. but the countries are so poor, dont have anything to offer, corrupt governments.. that they use the Muslim religion to recruit new members who are easily brainwashed.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

good point. 9/11 was exactly the same as someone building a mosque. my bad.

it just might be a little bit of the reason why new yorkers dont want the mosque there though.

just a little.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Pretending that all of Islam is alike - that they are all terrorist extremists - is wrong.

You being able to post on Nerdy Trail is wrong.


If I ever win the lotto.. I'm going to buy you a one way ticket to Iran. You can be with your peeps there. I give you my word that you will get this gift if I ever strike it rich.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Which has perhaps hundreds of thousands of members worldwide, including in the US, virtually all of which are Muslims. They also have the support of a wide swath of the Muslim world. Can you tell me by sight who is a violent muslim member of Al Queda and who is a peaceful muslim? Is there a Christian fringe group the size or scope of Al Queda?

millions. there are 1 billion muslims. estimated 10% are radical. You can do the math!

and yes, that also means there are 900,000,000 ones who live in peace (that was for our village Idiot)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Um ... you'd better google Al Quaeda.

you'd be better off google-ing STFU

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You think all Muslims are killing terrorists. Got it. Good luck with that.

You are such a fucl<ing idiot!

Where do you come up with this shit?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

mexico.

their war is about gangs & drugs, not the Bible.

but with that said.

Mexico is a great place to explore.. like 5 years ago.

hopefully it will come back..

[dellinger63]

A telling Obama interview that gets no exposure

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” OMG ever hear it?

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, Nice

or even if he was Sunni or Shiite.

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06...stof.html?_r=4

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

A telling Obama interview that gets no exposure

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” OMG ever hear it?

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, Nice

or even if he was Sunni or Shiite.

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06...stof.html?_r=4

I dont have a problem with this. Its obvious that Obama isnt really a religious guy.. which is one thing I think is great.

I dont have a problem with Muslims building Mosque's in the USA either. I also believe the ground zero Mosque is incredibly insensitive.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont have a problem with this. Its obvious that Obama isnt really a religious guy.. which is one thing I think is great.

Hate to break the bubble but Obama gave these statements in another interview. Of course this wasn't at a Muslim breakfast.

NEWSWEEK: Do you and Michelle talk to your girls about having a God? Jesus?
Obama: Well, we do, but we don't have a systematic course of study for the girls. We say grace at the table. They are inquiring minds, so whenever they have a question about God or faith, then I have a conversation with them … I'm a big believer in a faith that is not imposed but taps into what's already there, their curiosity or their spirit.

You used to travel with your Bible. Do you still do that?
Sometimes, because my briefcase gets so packed, I forget to pack it, but I often have my Bible with me. It's something that I read in the evenings and it takes me out of the immediacy of my day and gives me a point of reflection.

What do you think about the Kingdom of God? Is it attainable on Earth by humans?
I am a big believer in not just words, but deeds and works. I don't believe that the Kingdom of God is achievable on Earth without God's intervention, and without God's return through Jesus Christ, but I do believe in improvement

Do you pray in your personal life?
Yes, I do.

Daily?
Yeah, every day.

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/07/11/i...and-works.html

I'd argue that's more religious than 90% of Americans

[Princess Doreen]

No one is arguing the premise of religious freedom. But simply asked, "Why there."

We're supposed to be sensitive, but where is the sensitivity in return?!

NYC is a union town. NOTHING gets done without a union doing it. Doubt they'll find any union willing to work on that project. But the illustrious mayor (who got himself a 3rd term and will probably lobby for a 4th) will probably spearhead some law that will allow non-union workers to build that mosque. Then watch WWIII on the streets of NYC. NYC union workers are not to be messed with.

PrezzBO would do best to stay out of it. We know what The First Amendment is all about - he doesn't need to preach or remind us of it. He has opened up a political donnybrook with every candidate in November feeling it necessary to weigh in the subject. National poll shows 65% of population not in favor of having the mosque where the Iman proposes.