Zenyatta

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Rupert Im talking about todays number 113, not foster

My bad. I thought you were talking about the Foster.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Do they PM you boobie pics?

Of course they do, and I put come in their shampoo

You are a calloused bastard Drugs

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Not that it matters now, but Blame dug-in when he finally heard Zenyatta coming and he ended-up galloping-out past her. And even after the wire Blame still held his lead, which makes you question the "one more jump" or "one more stride."

I will say this... I've seen some pretty exciting races. The electricity at CD today was awesome. The race itself was intense and thrilling. Even though Blame was my top pick all summer for this race, I found myself watching her from start to finish

In terms of drama, that's exactly what needed to happen... Zenyatta trying to catch someone, putting it all on her late kick. Regardless of the result, it was a great race, exciting finish and horse racing got a lot of play today.

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

Who really cares what Andy Beyer thinks? I know I dont....

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who really cares what Andy Beyer thinks? I know I dont....

You do Rocky...just admit it.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

You do Rocky...just admit it.

I think a few of his articles about her have been pretty bad, who am I though?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

I prefer the wimmin over there to the a$$holes here. Most of them have a soul.

So go post there. Who's forcing you to whine here?

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

1/10 that he'll be more than fair. Her performance today puts to rest the "synthetic specialist" theory,at least for me.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

Beyer is not the kind of guy that will have a problem admitting he made a mistake. He will be a man about it. I guarantee you that he will be very high in his praise of Zenyatta and will admit that he was wrong about her.

[CSC]

I agree with you guys, Beyer has always been a stand up guy, his column will do her justice, let's hope it will.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Beyer is not the kind of guy that will have a problem admitting he made a mistake. He will be a man about it. I guarantee you that he will be very high in his praise of Zenyatta and will admit that he was wrong about her.

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I agree with you guys, Beyer has always been a stand up guy, his column will do her justice, let's hope it will.

I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

We all made mistakes one way or another... If I recall you tossed her in the top 2 spots, mistake?

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by CSC

A very exciting race, Blame looked like he walks to victory but Zenyatta makes a race out of it when she looked like she was totally out of it, she will get more respect out of finishing second than winning the race.

Not from a lot of people on this forum. And that's a shame. Like Smarty Jones's run for the TC in 2004, her streak and her style did a lot for the sport.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

Not from a lot of people on this forum. And that's a shame. Like Smarty Jones's run for the TC in 2004, her streak and her style did a lot for the sport.

Gimme a break. Everyone has been praising her since the race ended. No one is even talking about the winner. That's the real shame IMO.

The thing that people don't want to acknowledge is that anyone who was considered a hater, wasn't hating. They just disagreed with some of superlatives being thrown her way. She's not the greatest horse ever. She's not the best filly ever either. She's a really, really good horse. Nothing wrong with that.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.

The final odds on her were ridiculous, the knowledgable horsey players know this, you know this, I know this, most know this. I don't hold this against her. Hey she lost and I can accept it as many of her fans will in time, in my memory I can't ever remember a horse coming this close from that far out of it in the classic. Concern did it but he was in a different zip code where Z closed from, proving it is never easy for a deep closer to win these type of races.

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/passive-aggressive

"This Breeders' Cup Classic will be the defining race of her life, and if she wins (or even loses a close one), she can silence all of the skeptics. I doubt that she will." -AB
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...903591_pf.html

He was wrong twice right there.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

He was totally wrong and he will admit he was wrong. He thought she was much better on synthetic and didn't have much chance in this race. He was totally wrong that she didn't have much chance in the race. She lost by half a head and would have won with a better trip. And his own figures will contradict his belief that she's better on a synthetic track since she ran much faster on the dirt (according to his speed figures).

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I didn't mind where Smith had her early. I also didn't mind when he 'panicked' and ask her to close the gap on the end of the pack on the backstretch. Especially since he put her in a nice, inside drafting position. But having to wait slightly for a horse to go by when they entered the stretch and then go around it, cost her the race. I realize Blame is game and I realize that he had the lead for a long time. However, as she 'pushes the biggest gear' in the race, Smith needs to get her outside of horses and make a sustained run. Saving ground, having to wait and go inside out, is not exactly the way the best finisher in the race is supposed to be ridden. I've read where there's almost a consensus that her ride didn't cost her the race. And, it's not about getting a perfect INSIDE stretch run. She's doesn't need that. Having to wait and not getting outside till late is just not a good trip for her. This is why, in track cycling, for example, those able to spinner the higher gears faster don't **** around with trying to save ground the final turn or straight, they take the outside route and spin it home. Hard to believe that Smith either doesn't get this or is just unable to put it into practice --- especially with all her previous wide trips.

Yeah, a little cleaner trip coming off that turn and she probably gets up.

Nevertheless, she ran like the champion she is in the lane again today.

Take nothing away from the winner, tho … a very nice runner which had a terrific overall record … with multiple scores at CD.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.

I think you should quit while you're ahead. You haven't exactly had a good handle on Zenyatta. You thought she was more likely to run in the Distaff. You were totally wrong about that. You thought her barely beating Rinterval was a god indication of her ability. You were totally wrong about that. You totally misinterpreted that race. Then you said that she wouldn't get within 10 lengths in the Classic. You were totally wrong about that. Instead of admitting how wrong you've been, now you want to say that this was a bad race. The problem is that the speed figures that you most rely on totally contradict this. The speed figures say that it was a very good race. So now you want to say that the speed figures are wrong. This has not been one of your better arguments. I think it's time to move on to a new subject. I think it's time to cut your losses on the subject of Zenyatta.