bellamy road was retired

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Originally Posted by merasmag

moodwalker-u were way off base...if u ever cared what my opinion of flower alley was u would know you have insulted me and, more importantly, a great horse (and when I say great, i mean hurricane run great)

And no, I haven't ever cared what your opinion of Flower Alley is/was.

Nor do I care what anyone's opinion is on him. Why would I?

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Originally Posted by merasmag

u insulted me by saying so now these other horses are great too, like i really think flower alley is great...but yes...i do think hurricane run is great...u don't? u are as bad as blockheadd...i never said "one of the greatest"...i said "great"

No, you said "Hurricane Run Great." As if it were some sort of standard now set.

Maybe I mis-understood you. I also think Hurricane Run is really good and exciting to watch.

I hope he continues winning.

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So, are you saying that both Flower Alley and Bellamy Road are/were "great."

I am confused.

If that is your opinion, then rock and roll. I just am having trouble deciphering your posts.

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As far as the comment concerning Pleasant Tap, then can't he be considered great also off of one big effort in a G1. Are you biased against him or something?

It seems that is all it takes these days, one Grade I win and the crown is in place.

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[quote=merasmag]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

as a friend says...children---if u really think bellamy road would not have won the derby without his injury we really have nothing to discuss on the subject

Add him to the long list of horses who would surely have won the Derby minus (insert excuse here.)

There is at least one every year.

Bluegrass Cat would have surely won the Derby if Barbaro would have bolted to the rail and sat down to have a smoke.

And that darned Afleet Alex would have surely taken home roses if it weren't for that damned Jeremy Rose taking him down to the rail and keeping him too close.

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Does anyone think Sis City was great?

She won like a damn machine by huge margins more than once on her Oaks preps.


Really, does anyone think she will go down as "one of the great ones?"

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Originally Posted by merasmag

it is hard for me to go back thru 100 posts but your pleasant tap post is one i was referring to, call it the one...i'm just sayin, as oracle has said here, u cannot judge a horse by where he or she finishes without knowing why it happened-if u don't know why, u will never bet on lava man OR pleasant tap-goodnite mate

So if that is the one, how would that be offensive to you personally.

My feelings on Bellamy Road and/or Flower Alley have nothing to do with you personally.

And the post was obviously a joke if you didn't catch that.

You can't honestly think that I consider Pleasant Tap and Second of June as demi-gods?

It was a mockery of the quick proclamations of greatness that have been floating around here for a while.

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Originally Posted by merasmag

to correct us both-it was premium tap (a great name if not a great horse)...and i haven't been around in quite a while (nevermind-goodnite again)

Haha, I stand corrected.

It was Premium Tap.

Pleasant Tap was pretty good in his own right.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

As far as BR, he wouldn't rate in the top 1000 horses that have raced.

That's exactly what I was going to post! But I was beaten to it by the world's second most knowledgable analyst.

Here's how I got there ...

Bellamy Road won one G1 stakes and placed in one other. In an average year ... there are probably about 10 to 20 horses who accomplish that ... or accomplish much more. So ... if we go back to the time when thoroughbred racing became a major organized sport in the United States ... about 1860 say ... there probably have been about 1,500 to 3,000 horses who have done what Bellamy Road did ... or better.

So ... if anyone took the time to research all G1-equivalent winners over the past 145 years ... Bellamy Road would probably rank somewhere around 2000th ....among all American race horses.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Does anyone think Sis City was great?

She won like a damn machine by huge margins more than once on her Oaks preps.


Really, does anyone think she will go down as "one of the great ones?"

That was Dutrow at his finest...........

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Haha, I stand corrected.

It was Premium Tap.

Pleasant Tap was pretty good in his own right.

Yeah, he was a good horse coinsidering Speckert - a helluva nice guy - does not exactly burn up the track with his trainees..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That was Dutrow at his finest...........

I don't quite get the logic there. If Dutrow were the magician you are insinuating that he is, then why did she flame out so badly after that?
Certainly if he had magic elixirs and methods he would be able to get her to match those efforts right?
Sis City is no different than many top horses(more often fillies). She simply ran a monstrous effort that bounced her out for good.
her Gulf race was wonderful, but her Ashland was just too crazy fast. She was never the same and became largely disinterested in competing, kind of like Meadow Star after her epic "Mother of all Gooses" race agaisnt Lite Light. She never won another race.
She trained this year according to Rick just like she was top notch. But in the afternoons she simply refused to put out.
If Dutrwo is so "magic" why could he not reverse this?
Are you saying hes only "magic" when he wins?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Sis City is no different than many top horses(more often fillies).

kind of like Meadowlake after her epic "Mother of all Gooses" race agaisnt Lite Light. She never won another race.

Absolutely correct ... the record books are filled with fillies who were champions one year ... but who couldn't ... or more likely wouldn't ... run a lick the next year.

And ...

... we know you meant Meadow Star ... not Meadowlake.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Absolutely correct ... the record books are filled with fillies who were champions one year ... but who couldn't ... or more likely wouldn't ... run a lick the next year.

And ...

... we know you meant Meadow Star ... not Meadowlake.

Yes, I meant Meadow Star.
There are more than her.
take a look at Winning Colors 4yo campaign.
Take a look at ladys secret her last year of racing which ended when she bolted on the first turn of an allownace race and pulled herself up and just stood there as the crowd gasped.
Fillies, much moreso than colts(who are not immune from this) are much more prone to this.
Hell Storm Flag Flying had all of us waiting to see her at age three after that delicious two year old year. She had decided over the winter that she no longer cared about running. She eventually won a slow grade one with a perfect trip but never again after age two did she achieve great efforts.
I'm trying to figure out the logic of Joel's post and drawing a blank.
If a guy is a "magician" with a horse, and continues to train the horse, why would the same efforts not keep occurring?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yes, I meant Meadow Star.
There are more than her.
take a look at Winning Colors 4yo campaign.
Take a look at ladys secret her last year of racing which ended when she bolted on the first turn of an allownace race and pulled herself up and just stood there as the crowd gasped.
Fillies, much moreso than colts(who are not immune from this) are much more prone to this.
Hell Storm Flag Flying had all of us waiting to see her at age three after that delicious two year old year. She had decided over the winter that she no longer cared about running. She eventually won a slow grade one with a perfect trip but never again after age two did she achieve great efforts.
I'm trying to figure out the logic of Joel's post and drawing a blank.
If a guy is a "magician" with a horse, and continues to train the horse, why would the same efforts not keep occurring?

would you consider Storm Flag Flying a great horse?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

would you consider Storm Flag Flying a great horse?

I would consider her the best two year old filly that I ever saw.
yeah, she was great. She showed speed and also won at a mile and an eigth in great figure time.
I know what she was. She showed it. The fact that she refused to show it afterwards would preclude her from being great from an accomplishment standpoint, but yeah she was great.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

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I'm trying to figure out the logic of Joel's post and drawing a blank.
If a guy is a "magician" with a horse, and continues to train the horse, why would the same efforts not keep occurring?

It's not hard to figure out what he's insinuating. He's claiming the man doesn't follow the rules. And I don't get that at all. He's supposed to be an up nd coming horse analyst for the FTOBA. How would he look Dutrow (or the Louisiana "Cajun Clan" stewards, etc, etc) he's bashed if and when he gets a chance to interview him?

Originally Posted by SentToStud

It's not hard to figure out what he's insinuating. He's claiming the man doesn't follow the rules. And I don't get that at all. He's supposed to be an up nd coming horse analyst for the FTOBA. How would he look Dutrow (or the Louisiana "Cajun Clan" stewards, etc, etc) he's bashed if and when he gets a chance to interview him?

Lansdon has sent the guy a ton of horses, and only one of em has ever won a graded stakes race. I guess lans is gonna pretty pissed off when he finds out that his trainer is a magician and hes only won graded stakes races with one horse. What gives? Guess he must be "cold watering" Lansdon huh?
No more free dinners for Ricky!!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

It's not hard to figure out what he's insinuating. He's claiming the man doesn't follow the rules. And I don't get that at all. He's supposed to be an up nd coming horse analyst for the FTOBA. How would he look Dutrow (or the Louisiana "Cajun Clan" stewards, etc, etc) he's bashed if and when he gets a chance to interview him?

I am not at all dumping on Joel. I remember when Beyer made outright inferences that Scott Lake was cheating a few years back. If im not mistaken, he later apologized.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I am not at all dumping on Joel. I remember when Beyer made outright inferences that Scott Lake was cheating a few years back. If im not mistaken, he later apologized.

I thought he'd accused everyone of cheating except Mother Theresa.