6/11 (BEL): Belmont Stakes Probables/Possibles

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

With all due respect.....who cares?

I'm sure nobody. I only post so that I can read my own opinions years later. Sorry.

[Danzig]

30 lengths back of whom? i dont see that happening.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm sure nobody. I only post so that I can read my own opinions years later. Sorry.

This clears up years of questions about things you've posted. Thanks.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

30 lengths back of whom? i dont see that happening.

Of the winner. It's not that I think he's that bad. I don't. I actually like the horse and have a lot of respect for his courage and his heart. I just think that maybe they are going to the well one too many times with him. He's run a few very hard races in a row in a relatively short time for today's horses. Maybe it's not the same situation but I'm thinking about Winning Colors. I see a situation where he's out there running on the pace again and he's just a tired horse and has nothing left and drops out and when you drop out in this race, there's a long way to go and a lot of lengths to be lost.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

This clears up years of questions about things you've posted. Thanks.

Glad I can help.

[Dunbar]

Odds at TheGreek:

1001 Animal Kingdom +365
1002 Brilliant Speed +1015
1003 Master of Hounds +825
1004 Monzon +3050
1005 Mucho Macho Man +1015
1006 Nehro +365
1007 Isnt He Perfect (no odds)
1008 Ruler On Ice +2250
1009 Santiva +1015
1010 Shackleford +805
1011 Stay Thirsty +2050


--Dunbar

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Odds at TheGreek:

1001 Animal Kingdom +365
1002 Brilliant Speed +1015
1003 Master of Hounds +825
1004 Monzon +3050
1005 Mucho Macho Man +1015
1006 Nehro +365
1007 Isnt He Perfect (no odds)
1008 Ruler On Ice +2250
1009 Santiva +1015
1010 Shackleford +805
1011 Stay Thirsty +2050


--Dunbar

Master of Hounds and Santiva are similar prices to Shackleford?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Of the winner. It's not that I think he's that bad. I don't. I actually like the horse and have a lot of respect for his courage and his heart. I just think that maybe they are going to the well one too many times with him. He's run a few very hard races in a row in a relatively short time for today's horses. Maybe it's not the same situation but I'm thinking about Winning Colors. I see a situation where he's out there running on the pace again and he's just a tired horse and has nothing left and drops out and when you drop out in this race, there's a long way to go and a lot of lengths to be lost.

Winning Colors, after that brutal duel with Forty Niner in the Preakness, went the opening half in the Belmont in :47 2/5 while being hounded by Risen Star.

Only by Dale Romans's warped sense of how lone speed should be utilized in a pace-deficient field will Shackleford be asked to go that fast early in this year's Belmont.

Of course, he won't have Risen Star hounding him, either, in which case he may enjoy a Bold Forbes-like trip if he's let loose early.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Winning Colors, after that brutal duel with Forty Niner in the Preakness, went the opening half in the Belmont in :47 2/5 while being hounded by Risen Star.

Only by Dale Romans's warped sense of how lone speed should be utilized in a pace-deficient field will Shackleford be asked to go that fast early in this year's Belmont.

Of course, he won't have Risen Star hounding him, either, in which case he may enjoy a Bold Forbes-like trip if he's let loose early.

You could be right.

[Kasept]

Belmont Stakes probable starters:

Animal Kingdom Graham Motion 2nd - Preakness (J. Velazquez)
Brilliant Speed Tom Albertrani 7th - Ky. Derby (J. Rosario)
Isn’t He Perfect Doodnauth Shivmangal 9th - Preakness
Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien 5th - Ky. Derby (G. Gomez)
Monzon Ignacio Correas IV 6th - Peter Pan
Mucho Macho Man Kathy Ritvo 6th - Preakness (R. Dominguez)
Nehro Steve Asmussen 2nd - Ky. Derby
Prime Cut Neil Howard - Peter Pan (E. Prado)
Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen 2nd - Federico Tesio
Santiva Eddie Kenneally 6th - Ky. Derby
Shackleford Dale Romans 1st - Preakness (J. Castanon)
Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher 12th - Ky. Derby

Possibles:

Harlan’s Hello Doodnauth Shivmangal 1st - Op. claiming

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Belmont Stakes probable starters:

Prime Cut Neil Howard - Peter Pan (E. Prado)

Given a green light Saturday..

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Master of Hounds and Santiva are similar prices to Shackleford?

Not that it means anything, but there are a lot of folks in my circle of racing friends who like these two. I think they'll be a bit over bet relative to their true chances come Saturday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Of the winner. It's not that I think he's that bad. I don't. I actually like the horse and have a lot of respect for his courage and his heart. I just think that maybe they are going to the well one too many times with him. He's run a few very hard races in a row in a relatively short time for today's horses. Maybe it's not the same situation but I'm thinking about Winning Colors. I see a situation where he's out there running on the pace again and he's just a tired horse and has nothing left and drops out and when you drop out in this race, there's a long way to go and a lot of lengths to be lost.

i think shackleford has shown steady improvement all spring. i don't buy the bs about too many races either. the derby was 8 weeks after his last start. if he can't handle this current schedule, than i don't want anyone under an impression that this horse is a future stud star. i find that line of reasoning to be one of the biggest detriments to this sport.


and i'll bite....who's the winner?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Not that it means anything, but there are a lot of folks in my circle of racing friends who like these two. I think they'll be a bit over bet relative to their true chances come Saturday.

you'd have to think nehro is going to be on a lot of peoples tickets in the runner up spot.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you'd have to think nehro is going to be on a lot of peoples tickets in the runner up spot.

Absolutely... so I guess on pure mathematics, Master of Hounds and Santiva won't be "short" ... but I still think they'll have plenty of support.

[Mike]

Shackleford's getting very little respect according to those odds.

Not sure why so many continue to think Shack can't stretch out (did win the Preakness). Perhaps he is a developing into a very good front running router, just as Dialed In is supposedly developing into a late running closer.

9-2 by Watchmaker, with Nehro closer in odds to Animal Kingdom?

[King Glorious]

Danzig, I wasn't selling it so there's nothing to buy. I'm sure that I don't have to tell you that I'm not always right. Some on here would tell you I never am. I was only giving my opinion on how I think this goes. I agree with what you say about how this shouldn't be a tough schedule. Unfortunately, the way they train and race these days makes this kind of schedule tough. We'll see how it goes. As of right now, I'd lean to Nehro as my selection but I don't do so with much confidence. Good luck to you in your wagering.

[Alan07]

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