WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

this is shocking to me. I grew up the child of teachers and they never were close to being allowed to take 40 personal days in a year. That simply didn't exist as an option and teacher unions existed in Ohio. They received no lavish benefits ever. My father did eventually go into administration which I guess is an evil unto itself which I am unaware of too much. In those positions he worked 12 months a year non-stop with very little vacation at all. He did have the luxury of dying quite young, so unfortunately didn't get to reap the benefits of all those other "lavish benefits" of which you speak and I as a child of public educators have no clue as to what you are talking about. I am glad to know that my parents are part of a group largely responsible for the decline of America. I take pride in that.

yeah, my mom is a teacher, and she has good health insurance. but she surely never takes 40 days off of work maybe 4 total, but not 40. sure she has good insurance, but she deserves every dime she gets, in salary and benefits.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I used them exactly the same as you did. I am only talking about one specific person. The black man in office.

Anti you are wrong you should have said "the incompetent black guy in office" then you would be correct.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The above title should read "allegedly", I guess.

Yeah, good thing this complete loser guy was elected to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Maybe he has dementia. First he announces to the world his purpose on the court will be to support the governor's agenda, now he's under investigation for assaulting another judge.

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. McCain, Prosser ...

Big long article with much detail here:

You should learn the other side to the Prosser story. I guess like Kloppenburg you are quick to judge without knowing the facts. If you read something other than a liberal paper you may actually get the story right. When all the facts come out it may be justice Ann Bradley or Abrahamson who could be under judicial review.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I used them exactly the same as you did. I am only talking about one specific person. That hip-hop listening, basketball playin' black man in office.

You think your last sentence is racist? Again, you'd better go read the definition

Or this may be easier: Faux News ridiculously accused Jon Stewart of being racist because he mocked Herman Cain. Watch the second part of this episode starting at about minute 9.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...011-louis-c-k-

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You should learn the other side to the Prosser story.

Yeah! He was defending himself against her attack, and her neck ran into his hands!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah! He was defending himself against her attack, and her neck ran into his hands!

I didn't realize you were there and actually saw this happen. I just thought you read about it in the Capital times or Huffington. I did not realize that you knew all the facts surrounding this and what actually transpired. My mistake.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I didn't realize you were there and actually saw this happen.

No. I was reading Prosser's side of the story. The statement he made Sunday?

Do you not read your local news sources?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I was reading Prosser's side of the story. The statement he made Sunday?

Do you not read your local news sources?

Do you not learn all the facts before making judgment? Do you understand what was going on in that meeting and how things were handled by both Bradley and Abrahamson? Do you know if Justice Ann Bradley attacked Justice Prosser?

Keep reading because the truth will come out. First Prosser will not be charged, second Justice Ann Bradley may need to resign for her actions, and finally the actions by both Bradley and Abrahamson and their handling of the decision and dissenting opinon proved how much they are in the pockets of the unions and not concerned with the actual laws of the state.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You think your last sentence is racist? Again, you'd better go read the definition

Or this may be easier: Faux News ridiculously accused Jon Stewart of being racist because he mocked Herman Cain. Watch the second part of this episode starting at about minute 9.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...011-louis-c-k-

maybe not necessarily racist, but I do think it's inappropriate.

[nebrady]

You tell her wiphan! Seriously if he really choked her why didn't she press charges immediately. I love obama today saying he might threaten congress to stay in session over the weekend. Then he says hes been in washington the whole time. Correct me mr. president but weren't you in ireland having a beer at a pub. Really working hard. lol

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Do you not learn all the facts before making judgment? Do you understand what was going on in that meeting and how things were handled by both Bradley and Abrahamson? Do you know if Justice Ann Bradley attacked Justice Prosser?

Keep reading because the truth will come out. First Prosser will not be charged, second Justice Ann Bradley may need to resign for her actions, and finally the actions by both Bradley and Abrahamson and their handling of the decision and dissenting opinon proved how much they are in the pockets of the unions and not concerned with the actual laws of the state.

Sure

[Riot]

Originally Posted by nebrady

You tell her wiphan! Seriously if he really choked her why didn't she press charges immediately.l

So I guess you missed the part where she did initiate an investigation immediately?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sure

Would you like to wager on whether or not Prosser is charged? Even in liberal Dane County?

I will give you 4-1 odds that he is not charged.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Would you like to wager on whether or not Prosser is charged? Even in liberal Dane County?

I will give you 4-1 odds that he is not charged.

You mean like you wanted to wager that Democrats would be recalled before Republicans? Yet the GOP were only able to barely get enough recall signatures on only half the Dems eligible, while the Dems were able to get vastly excessive recall signatures on all the eligible GOP quickly?

And the GOP are desperately putting in Republicans to run as fake Dems to try and force runoffs, to keep themselves in office for another 4 weeks?

But the GOP couldn't mount a challenger with enough signatures for one of the very first elections, thus which will not be a primary. I predict the Dem will win and hold their seat.

There are currently two investigations against Prosser (and none against the two other judges you mentioned).

I don't know if Prosser will be charged by the police with assault of a judge (a felony), simple battery, etc. Or if he will be found in ethical violation and forced to resign.

I would be very happy if he resigned. I don't need to see him have jail time. He clearly does not have the temperment necessary to be a judge (heck, he doesn't even seem to have basic workplace manners), aside from his outrageous public judicial activism. His history of anger and cursing out his fellow judges showed that.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You mean like you wanted to wager that Democrats would be recalled before Republicans? Yet the GOP were only able to barely get enough recall signatures on only half the Dems eligible, while the Dems were able to get vastly excessive recall signatures on all the eligible GOP quickly?

There are currently two investigations against Prosser (and none against the two other judges you mentioned).

I don't know if Prosser will be charged by the police with assault of a judge (a felony), simple battery, etc. Or if he will be found in ethical violation and forced to resign.

I would be very happy if he resigned. He clearly does not have the temperment necessary to be a judge (heck, he doesn't even seem to have basic workplace manners), aside from his outrageous public judicial activism. His history of anger and cursing out his fellow judges showed that.

No like I wanted to wager that Prosser would hold up in the recount by a minimum of 5000 votes. I actually never presented a wager on the recall of dems vs republicans, but I did present you a wager for the prosser vs kloppenberg recall. Interesting to me that you are all for someone resigning their position and you know zero facts. All you know is what you read in a liberal newspaper or online blog. You have no clue how Justice Bradley handled herself and what actions she took that led up to the incident. You will soon learn those facts...

If I am wrong why don't you take my $? I am giving you 4-1 odds.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Interesting to me that you are all for someone resigning their position and you know zero facts. All you know is what you read in a liberal newspaper or online blog.

LOL. What nonsense. The Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism broke the story, but the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Wisconsin State Journal, The Associated Press, Reuters, other national press - all are covering the story.

Prosser has publicly admitted calling the Chief Justice "a bitch" and threatening to "destroy" her. Prosser has publicly admitted that his place on the bench will be to "help advance Gov. Walkers' agenda."

The above - which Prosser himself admits to - is enough to keep the guy off the bench in my eyes.

I guess you like nasty, cursing, unprofessional activist judges. Good luck with that. Keep trying to defend this loser.

You have no clue how Justice Bradley handled herself and what actions she took that led up to the incident. You will soon learn those facts...

Because you don't know zero facts from reading right wing blogs? You know that it was Justice Bradley that threw her neck into Prosser's hands

Unfortunately, as we see with Clarence Thomas, it is very difficult to get a judge off a bench. If Prosser won't go via ethics, may have to be forced out with legal charges.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL. What nonsense. The Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism broke the story, but the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Wisconsin State Journal, The Associated Press, Reuters, other national press - all are covering the story.

Prosser has publicly admitted calling the Chief Justice "a bitch" and threatening to "destroy" her. Prosser has publicly admitted that his place on the bench will be to "help advance Gov. Walkers' agenda."

The above - which Prosser himself admits to - is enough to keep the guy off the bench in my eyes.

I guess you like nasty, cursing, unprofessional activist judges. Good luck with that. Keep trying to defend this loser.



Because you don't know zero facts from reading right wing blogs? You know that it was Justice Bradley that threw her neck into Prosser's hands

Put your $ where your mouth is please

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Put your $ where your mouth is please

No thanks. I have no interest in gambling on this disaster. I already said I don't know if Prosser will be charged outside of the judicial ethics investigation. You go right ahead.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No thanks. I have no interest in gambling on this disaster. You go right ahead.

I guess you really don't believe what you write.....

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

There are usually two sides to every story. For all the evils unions do, there is the opposite side that they have done some good too. Still. Tenure keeps just as many great teachers going as pathetic ones, and getting rid of it would have just as many great teachers getting fired for no good reason as pathetic ones getting fired for good reason.

Talent would prevent that. Why would anyone fire an excellent employee that makes their lives easier and school look better?
I get to keep my job because I do it very well and nobody needs to babysit me, my work gets done and I produce numbers. Not because I have worked here for three years.
No district is going to fire "great teachers" for no reason. The teachers themselves would be a in a much better position. The good ones anyway.

The above statement cannot be argued in any way. Replace the word teacher in this debate with any other profession and see how ridiculous it sounds.