Lakers trade - Page 6

Cannon Shell · #**101** 12-09-2011, 07:28 PM

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No way in hell is this team better off on the court without Paul and getting those guys. Paul is that good.

Paul is a very good player but lets not forget he avg 16 points and 10 assists a game last year.

cmorioles · #**102** 12-09-2011, 08:26 PM

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Paul is a very good player but lets not forget he avg 16 points and 10 assists a game last year.

Yes, but he makes the guys around him better as do most superstars.

Dahoss · #**103** 12-09-2011, 09:35 PM

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Here is some idea of why this is bad from the Hornets. In it, Mark Cuban explains why he isn't signing free agents. It sheds some light on why the NBA nixed this deal and how it wasn't that great for the Hornets:

December, 8, 2011

By Tim MacMahon

I emailed Mark Cuban with one question: What am I missing?

It took a while to get to the question. The email started with my take on his Mavericks’ recent moves, or lack thereof: It appears that their logic is that the team’s long-term outlook is better if they attempt to reload next summer instead of bringing a championship team back intact to defend its title. The likely low odds of landing a superstar, given the landscape in the league and contract rules, makes this difficult to understand.

Then again, I didn’t think trading for Tyson Chandler last summer was a last-piece-in-a-championship-puzzle kind of move … so there’s no doubt Cuban and Donnie Nelson have earned benefit of the doubt. Or at least the opportunity to fully explain their decision-making process.

Still, it seemed that with the harsher luxury tax penalties not kicking in for a couple of years, the Mavs could have kept Chandler and sparkplug guard J.J. Barea and tried to maximize at least the next two seasons. What am I missing?

Here is the explanation straight from the keyboard of the Mavs’ owner on the first night he is free to speak again about the team's roster:
If this were the old CBA rules, we probably would have kept everyone together. But the rules changed.

If we were able to sign everyone to two-year deals, that would have possibly changed things as well, but that wasn’t in the cards either.

What you are missing is that it’s not about the luxury tax. It’s about the ability to improve our team going forward.

The reality is that in the new system, cap room will have far more value than it had in the past. I realize that everyone is all freaked out about how and where free agents and future free agents are going, but it’s not just about getting one guy.

We are not saving cap room in hope of that one super special free agent being there. It’s about being in the position to improve every year and possibly add some significant, younger players next year and in future years.

What I don’t think people understand is that once a team hits the tax level the ability to improve our team is reduced dramatically. In addition, your ability to make trades is reduced. So basically, if we made the move to keep everyone together with five-year deals, the team we have today is going to be the team we have for the next five years. If we were a young team it would be one thing. But we are not a young team.

In the past, it was different. If we had a problem, I could fix any mistake by having Donnie find a trade and just taking on more money. That is how we got Jet, the Matrix, JKidd, Tyson. It was always about taking on more money. That trick doesn’t work any more for teams over the tax. So we have to change our approach. By getting back under the cap, we have a ton of flexibility not only for free agent signings but also trades. If we can get the right guy(s) via free agency, great. if we do it via trade, great. We have that much more flexibility to make moves.

Again, I know this is tough for all of us after winning a championship. But we still believe as much as last year we are in a position to compete for a championship.

The difference is that with this approach, we can be in a position to compete for a championship this year and to reload and continue to compete in future years.

By just signing everyone to long-term deals, there is no chance of that happening.

We won last year because we put ourselves in a position to create opportunities that brought us the right players at the right time.

We structured contracts in ways that gave us upside. The rules are different now, and while it makes it tougher this year because of the affection we have for many of the guys that are leaving, if we want the Mavs to be able to compete for championships in future years as well, it’s a hard decision, but I believe the right decision.

I actually like Mark Cuban but what he says here looks a little silly based on reports they are close to signing Vince Carter. Vince Carter?

Cannon Shell · #**104** 12-09-2011, 09:50 PM

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I actually like Mark Cuban but what he says here looks a little silly based on reports they are close to signing Vince Carter. Vince Carter?

I dont think Vinsanity is commanding much dough at this point. Cuban is bitter because he knows his team is one and done and there isnt much he can do about it.

Cannon Shell · #**105** 12-09-2011, 09:51 PM

David Stern has gotten blown up a lot lately but this one might be the harshest

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...rn_veto_120911

Cannon Shell · #**106** 12-09-2011, 10:01 PM

Dan Gilbert!

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/73...gilbert-letter

Dahoss · #**107** 12-09-2011, 10:03 PM

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I dont think Vinsanity is commanding much dough at this point. Cuban is bitter because he knows his team is one and done and there isnt much he can do about it.

True, but whatever money they are using to sign him could have been used in an effort to keep Chandler or even Barea, who was a real difference maker in the playoffs. No one had an answer for him.

Cannon Shell · #**108** 12-09-2011, 11:46 PM

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True, but whatever money they are using to sign him could have been used in an effort to keep Chandler or even Barea, who was a real difference maker in the playoffs. No one had an answer for him.

I dont think they could resign Chandler w/o serious luxury tax issues. He supposedly got 15 million a year for 4. Barea is now overvalued at 6 or 7 million a year. That is more or less what Cuban was complaining about, he couldnt just go over the cap and pay the luxury tax on these guys like he nomally would because the new deal cripples teams too far over.

I'm guessing Carter comes in at something like 2.5 million a year (I guess they are calling it the mini-exception?). Hard to believe but he is more or less playing the DeShawn Stevenson role now...with less defensive intensity and no beard.

Cannon Shell · #**109** 12-09-2011, 11:48 PM

David West in a sign and trade to Boston supposedly. Corpses coming back to NO. Lets see what Dan Gilbert says about this.

cmorioles · #**110** 12-10-2011, 12:27 AM

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David West in a sign and trade to Boston supposedly. Corpses coming back to NO. Lets see what Dan Gilbert says about this.

Those are exactly the type of trades the Hornets need to make! Blow the motha up...LOL.

King Glorious · #**111** 12-10-2011, 04:11 AM

Tyson Chandler was offered one year at $20 million by Dallas. No way would I have come close to offering what he wanted for multiple years if I'm Dallas.

horseofcourse · #**112** 12-10-2011, 11:24 AM

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Dan Gilbert!

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/73...gilbert-letter

I think Dan is just jealous teams are now starting to do what he should have, trade your superstar before he leaves for nothing. Anthony, Deron Williams, Paul. It's also a case of you have a buffoon so keep making him a buffoon for the league and EVPN to keep pumping up LeBron, witness his recent interview there. I think to insinuate this letter by Gilbert is the main reason this trade was turned back is pretty convenient and shoddy reporting.

RockHardTen1985 · #**113** 12-11-2011, 01:38 AM

How about this? I dont really know how to feel about that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._waiver_121011

cmorioles · #**114** 12-11-2011, 11:12 AM

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How about this? I dont really know how to feel about that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._waiver_121011

He sounds like another crybaby. The guy is going to get 14.2 million, stfu and play with whatever team picks you.

cmorioles · #**115** 12-11-2011, 01:33 PM

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I think Dan is just jealous teams are now starting to do what he should have, trade your superstar before he leaves for nothing. Anthony, Deron Williams, Paul. It's also a case of you have a buffoon so keep making him a buffoon for the league and EVPN to keep pumping up LeBron, witness his recent interview there. I think to insinuate this letter by Gilbert is the main reason this trade was turned back is pretty convenient and shoddy reporting.

I'm sure you are right. However, how exactly has that worked out for those teams?

You never really get close to fair value. You get average players and stuck in the middle of the league going nowhere. Cleveland will be better for not trading Lebron. What exactly were they going to get from Miami?