Bernardini IS

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I never said that PG moved well. I said that he was a better horse than Smarty Jones. It is all about how the horses perform on the racetrack. That is why I don't understand how people can't recognize how great of a horse Bernardini is. His performances are flawless.

Yes they are. Flawless. The horse looks like the real deal. But I personally have another criteria for greatness, not just talented. I hope he gets his chance to show it. You say he is Tiger Woods. I say he has not faced enough good competition to be recognized as such.

Run him at 4. Please. Otherwise. Larry Holmes. For those of you that used to be, or are still into boxing. A great boxer. But never put up as the close to the best. Because he boxed at the wrong time. Again not Larry/horses fault. And there is no way I put the horses you mentioned that might be in the BCC at the same talent level as Congaree, Pleasantly Perfect, and Megs. No way. All of these horses were warriors and proved so numerous times.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes they are. Flawless. The horse looks like the real deal. But I personally have another criteria for greatness, not just talented. I hope he gets his chance to show it. You say he is Tiger Woods. I say he has not faced enough good competition to be recognized as such.

Run him at 4. Please. Otherwise. Larry Holmes. For those of you that used to be, or are still into boxing. A great boxer. But never put up as the close to the best. Because he boxed at the wrong time. Again not Larry/horses fault. And there is no way I put the horses you mentioned that might be in the BCC at the same talent level as Congaree, Pleasantly Perfect, and Megs. No way. All of these horses were warriors and proved so numerous times.

Pleasantly Perfect made 17 starts over 3 campaigns. Not exactly a warrior schedule.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pleasantly Perfect made 17 starts over 3 campaigns. Not exactly a warrior schedule.

And look at the level of those races and the competion. He battled the best, even when he was too old to stay with them. Bernardini wont even run at 4.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

And look at the level of those races and the competion. He battled the best, even when he was too old to stay with them. Bernardini wont even run at 4.

True and true

[ateamstupid]

I love Smarty. But he's not in Bernardini's class.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love Smarty. But he's not in Bernardini's class.

Well said Ateam.
Let's just enjoy this one.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well said Ateam.
Let's just enjoy this one.

That's impossible for some of these people. Enjoy a tremendous horse? No.. Can't do that. We have to tear him apart and wait for the next tremendous horse.. So we can.. You know.. Tear that one apart.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's impossible for some of these people. Enjoy a tremendous horse? No.. Can't do that. We have to tear him apart and wait for the next tremendous horse.. So we can.. You know.. Tear that one apart.

Good you see it.
He's not Larry Holmes.
Nor dare I say, the next Secretariat.
Some of these folks remind me of my uncle.
He'd chug two glasses of metamucile before going to bed.
Wake up in the morning and go for the ex-lax.
Chug it down with coffee and a cigar or two while sitting on the can.
Waiting and waiting.
Pushing and pushing.
Uhh! Uhh!!!
Maybe if he just relaxed and let it happen, it would have happened.
My guess is that he just tried too hard to make it that way.
To make a long story short, he died with a frown on his face. Nothing the funeral director could do would make him look comfortable in his coffin.
Yup!
Terminal constipation.
Moral of story...this sh-t will kill ya.

[Pointg5]

We need Repent to go Smarty on Bernardini, that will send some over the top...

Come on Repent, you are great at this, you can do it, I remember in the Spring of 2004, your Smarty rants were things of beauty...

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

We need Repent to go Smarty on Bernardini, that will send some over the top...

Come on Repent, you are great at this, you can do it, I remember in the Spring of 2004, your Smarty rants were things of beauty...

Actually, I like Repent. Never a question as to where he stands (or sits).
So, Point, why do you need him to speak for you?
UMM, ERR, HUH???
Fight your own battles.
Your asking for Repent to chime in is ridiculous as Nostra's brother going against Oracle.
No contest.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Actually, I like Repent. Never a question as to where he stands (or sits).
So, Point, why do you need him to speak for you?
UMM, ERR, HUH???
Fight your own battles.
Your asking for Repent to chime in is ridiculous as Nostra's brother going against Oracle.
No contest.

I can't do it the justice that Repent can, I was a big fan of Smarty and he had me seething behind the keyboard more than once with his rants. I am not in the same league with what he can come up with, he's much better, he'll have the Bernardini cheerleaders crying, no doubt about it...

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I can't do it the justice that Repent can, I was a big fan of Smarty and he had me seething behind the keyboard more than once with his rants. I am not in the same league with what he can come up with, he's much better, he'll have the Bernardini cheerleaders crying, no doubt about it...

Hey,
I was at Smarty's Belmont. It's burned in my memory.
I loved that one. The only ones that saved that day for me were Board Elligible and Fire Slam. Do I hate smarty cause he was ganged? No. Gutsy!
Now it's time to live in the now.
Berna is the best we've had in quite a while.
'Nuf said.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

We need Repent to go Smarty on Bernardini, that will send some over the top...

Come on Repent, you are great at this, you can do it, I remember in the Spring of 2004, your Smarty rants were things of beauty...

Repent loves Bernardini. Sorry.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love Smarty. But he's not in Bernardini's class.

I most vehmently disagree at this point. I need more.

[Revolution]

bernardini would destroy smarty jones. would not be competitive. this is an incredible specimen. he is perfectly bred and his action is flawless.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Instead of sitting around and waiting for Bernardini to lose, why cant some people just enjoy whats right in front of them?

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Instead of sitting around and waiting for Bernardini to lose, why cant some people just enjoy whats right in front of them?

I want what is sitting right in front of us to show himself. Not destroy horrible 4 horse fields. That we have 4 horses running in a race like this clearly shows the level of competition. Nil. His most impressive race, the Preakness. For 3 year olds.

Smarty ran against much better horses and had a much more difficult schedule. Bernardini has got to waltz around thus far. Cmon folks he is not gonna be in a BC field with horses Like Roses in May, Ghostzapper, Congaree, Megs, Pleasantly Perfect. Jeez Louise. This has been a bad year. We started out nicely and horses have just gone down the tubes with injuries. I hope Lava Man can give him a go and they just bust each other up. But the horse dont travel. Im not holding my breath. Quit trying to sugar coat everything. The level of depth is cellophane thickness.

If Bernardini and Lava Man for some odd reason dont make it to the BCC, what have we got left, healthy, ready and top notch?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I want what is sitting right in front of us to show himself. Not destroy horrible 4 horse fields. That we have 4 horses running in a race like this clearly shows the level of competition. Nil. His most impressive race, the Preakness. For 3 year olds.

Smarty ran against much better horses and had a much more difficult schedule. Bernardini has got to waltz around thus far. Cmon folks he is not gonna be in a BC field with horses Like Roses in May, Ghostzapper, Congaree, Megs, Pleasantly Perfect. Jeez Louise. This has been a bad year. We started out nicely and horses have just gone down the tubes with injuries. I hope Lava Man can give him a go and they just bust each other up. But the horse dont travel. Im not holding my breath. Quit trying to sugar coat everything. The level of depth is cellophane thickness.

If Bernardini and Lava Man for some odd reason dont make it to the BCC, what have we got left, healthy, ready and top notch?

So let me get this straight.. You're already writing off the BCC field, and pre-emptively discrediting Bernardini if he wins the BCC, because it's already a bad field in your opinion. Now I've heard everything.

This just in. There's a REASON that he's facing nobody. NO ONE WANTS TO FACE HIM.

Your attitude is everything that's wrong with the racewatching public. Rather than appreciate the type of horse that only comes along a few times in a life (if we're lucky), you'd rather sit back and knock the horse for something he cannot control and something that is mainly A RESULT OF HIS BRILLIANCE. There's absolutely no satisfying this type of racing "fan" unless we go dig up Secretariat, Seattle Slew, find Spectacular Bid, etc. and run them against this horse. Then if he loses, the "fan" will say "I told you so." It's a complete joke.

THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS AS A RACING FAN: NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE HORSE, THE "HE BEAT NOBODY" CROWD WILL ALWAYS EXIST.

It wouldn't matter if Pegasus came to life and won the BCC by 87 lengths. There would, without a doubt, be the "Yeah, but who did Pegasus beat?" sad sacks chiming in at every opportunity.

And I can't even respond to "Smarty ran against much better horses and had a much more difficult schedule" without laughing myself blue.

Yet what I find even more absurdly hilarious is that when Lava Man beats Super Frolic for the 22nd time, we get 1,000 new threads proclaiming this horse the greatest older male since Man O' War. Okay. It's real tough to stay within 40 miles of your home base and beat the same four or five horses all year long. Much tougher than doing what Bernardini has done.

It's ridiculous.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I'm into the way that both horses moved and how both horses performed on the track. You can tell the quality of the horse by watching them move and run in races. IMO, Bernardini was definitely better. IMO, Smarty Jones doesn't even compare to Bernardini. In fact, I also think that Barbaro, Afleet Alex, and Point Given were better horses than Smarty Jones. And I think that Bernardini could have beaten all of them, although Point Given may could have given him a run for his money. Point Given was also another very talented animal.

This is really pointless.

it is pointless, which is why i wonder at the exercise. each horse was/is very good, each had or has his strong points. whether it be running up an unbeaten streak, winning on two surfaces, running in and winning 12f races, or beating older horses....but to say bernardini is 'definitely' better is an exercise in futility, as it can't be proven. altho you might take all those others over smarty, i'm sure many could make an argument that they would take smarty over all the others! or point given...or barbaro for that matter.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

it is pointless, which is why i wonder at the exercise. each horse was/is very good, each had or has his strong points. whether it be running up an unbeaten streak, winning on two surfaces, running in and winning 12f races, or beating older horses....but to say bernardini is 'definitely' better is an exercise in futility, as it can't be proven. altho you might take all those others over smarty, i'm sure many could make an argument that they would take smarty over all the others! or point given...or barbaro for that matter.

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