Where's the Scat Daddy Thread?

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

please...you are creating spin here not me...I was hardly suggesting that the only reason people visit the site is for handicapping but for you to suggest that that is not why they are here is ridiculous...and an insult to steve.

You are spinning so hard we should call you Bill O'Reilly. How anyone can read his post as an insult is comical. Me calling you Bill O'Reilly is an insult though.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That is why OPINIONS are great and widely diverse... if not, there would be no need for a website like Derbytrail....it is good to hear different people's opinions and the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time....thats what makes it interesting in the debate...

I doubt many people come on here for handicapping hints

please thats why you put the link to your capt obv plays...chalk kills..

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Revolution

You are spinning so hard we should call you Bill O'Reilly. How anyone can read his post as an insult is comical. Me calling you Bill O'Reilly is an insult though.

now you are insulting the poeple who think Bill O'reilly is telling the truth about his no spin zone.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

now you are insulting the poeple who think Bill O'reilly is telling the truth about his no spin zone.

Yes I am, and that is no spin. I can insult that idiot Keith Olbermann if you want me to be "fair and balanced" but I think Olbermann only has about 5 viewers so nobody probably knows who he is.


Back to Scat Daddy, very poor performance by him in my opinion. Makes me think Nobiz like Shobiz might not be all that afterall.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

bern was all out and got beat ...hes a good horse who qot get beat by a fresher very nice horse who moved at the right time....there was no looking in the eye..javy didnt see him till he moved past..do i think if they raced in three weeks time who would win ..it would be bern....but invasor is a very nice horse who should get the credit and the cash...they had a game plan and it worked..

Kasept mentioned when he spoke to Matz about Round Pond that he ran her in the Beldame for seasoning, I think he said something like a race is the equivalent to 5 workouts...She wasn't cranked for the Beldame, but would get enough out of it to be ready for the BC...I believe if Invasior ran in the JCGC he would have won by more on Sat...That was a long layoff and to run like that is a credit to Mcglaughlin, he had Closing Arguement ready to run a great Derby with only two starts, so he's pretty good at doing that...Also, it's not like Bernardini was over run, his races were spaced and he was in training the whole time which is a credit to Albertrani and Bernardini being such a balanced horse, he could stay in training...I believe Bernardini ran his race, he wasn't good enough, no disgrace, he will win 3yo of the year...Some people won't admit(not you specifically), that they overvalued the horse, that's okay, maybe they'll learn or next time they make such projections we will know that they are probably not as good as they think they are...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

That is why OPINIONS are great and widely diverse... if not, there would be no need for a website like Derbytrail....it is good to hear different people's opinions and the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time....thats what makes it interesting in the debate...

I doubt many people come on here for handicapping hints

" ...the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time ... "


That is specifically, and exactly, false. And, frankly, it speaks volumes. You seem to think that, regardless of results, whatever opinions you have are correct as apparently it is the horse that was wrong...not you. However, some opinions are prescient and correct and are proven so and many are neither and are proven wrong. This is what happens in racing. This is important at the windows but not in cyberspace. It becomes more and more apparent where different posters make their bets so to speak.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Kasept mentioned when he spoke to Matz about Round Pond that he ran her in the Beldame for seasoning, I think he said something like a race is the equivalent to 5 workouts...She wasn't cranked for the Beldame, but would get enough out of it to be ready for the BC...I believe if Invasior ran in the JCGC he would have won by more on Sat...That was a long layoff and to run like that is a credit to Mcglaughlin, he had Closing Arguement ready to run a great Derby with only two starts, so he's pretty good at doing that...Also, it's not like Bernardini was over run, his races were spaced and he was in training the whole time which is a credit to Albertrani and Bernardini being such a balanced horse, he could stay in training...I believe Bernardini ran his race, he wasn't good enough, no disgrace, he will win 3yo of the year...Some people won't admit(not you specifically), that they overvalued the horse, that's okay, maybe they'll learn or next time they make such projections we will know that they are probably not as good as they think they are...

you are correct...i wanted bern to win as a fan /as a gambler at even money no...

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

please thats why you put the link to your capt obv plays...chalk kills..

Really? I thought Happy Ticket - who would have won at 13-1 with Round Pond's rail rally trip - and Street Sense at double digits were decent non-chalk angles....Who cares? It is what it is....if you (or anybody) EVER take any of my selections and play them with expectations then I have failed to do what I want to do. The whole point of handicapping IMO is to try and see people's angles on why they like horses and then come to your own conclusions based on your convictions......it should be an education tool more than an investment analysis IMO....

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Man, you are one miserable, negative, unhappy guy.

I have never seen one post from you that wasn't angry or hostile. Maybe you should give this game up. Ther's a lot of othert stuff a guy can do with his time and life if he is in so much pain.

The audience you're playing to on here is about 50 people. MOST are just kids that are hoping to make their first $50,000. Is it so important to you what they think of your posting rehashed periodical articles and heresay?

Go find a broad (if she can stomach you) and take her out on the town. See if you can make it through the night without telling her about your "world influencing" race track acquaintances.

As far as my handicapping ability, how you or anyone rates it does me no good or bad. I win a lot of money (be that as it may) and when I can no longer accomplish this I'm gone in a NY minute.

I've said many times, "every imbecile with a pencil picks winners". What's in the vault at the end (however you choose to determine that) is ALL that counts.

I'm confused, did you write that to blackthroatedwind or to yourself?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Really? I thought Happy Ticket - who would have won at 13-1 with Round Pond's rail rally trip - and Street Sense at double digits were decent non-chalk angles....Who cares? It is what it is....if you (or anybody) EVER take any of my selections and play them with expectations then I have failed to do what I want to do. The whole point of handicapping IMO is to try and see people's angles on why they like horses and then come to your own conclusions based on your convictions......it should be an education tool more than an investment analysis IMO....

of course .. the would have one angle is great...and most had street sence here...ma red rocks ?...education..i think not..but in the end you get payed to do it and i just get payed..at the windows..

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

" ...the best thing is that nobody is right and we are all right at the same time ... "


That is specifically, and exactly, false. And, frankly, it speaks volumes. You seem to think that, regardless of results, whatever opinions you have are correct as apparently it is the horse that was wrong...not you. However, some opinions are prescient and correct and are proven so and many are neither and are proven wrong. This is what happens in racing. This is important at the windows but not in cyberspace. It becomes more and more apparent where different posters make their bets so to speak.

OPINION :

–noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.


...you have your opinions and you come to a conclusion on them as they are the right beliefes in your mind....mine are the right beliefs in my mind, thus I am always right to me....there is no fact here, Andy

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

The point was Cunningham said he was better than Ghostzapper, so I compared what they have done. It's unfair to us as racing fans to not be able to see him as a 4YO potential all time great, but since we won't we'll have to base our comparisons on what they both did on track. And at this point, he's good- but not an all time great.
I for one don't think he's even the best of his generation.

I thought Barbaro was better, but that's just my lousy opinion. With that said, I don't think that Bernardini and Ghostzapper should even be compared since it's unfair to both... what was done by Bernie as a 3 year old definitely topped out GZ's 3 year old season, and what was done as a 4 year old for GZ defnitely topped out Bernie's 4 year old season, SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE! LMAO...

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

of course .. the would have one angle is great...and most had street sence here...ma red rocks ?...education..i think not..but in the end you get payed to do it and i just get payed..at the windows..

I hate just giving picks out without giving an angle...its somethinmg I don't like to do because anyone can do it.....YES, I do believe an analysts primary intention SHOULD be to educate and treat handicapping as an educational tool and take that approach far moreso than just throwing out picks and expecting people to invest in them, but that is just my opinion....we neeed to teach more people about how and why we like cartain horses to get them better educated so that they can feel confident betting on their OWN convictions - which is half the fun of it....nobody will really invest money on the opinions of others.... belive people play more and invest more based on their personal education level - and this port frankly does not do a good enough job of educating casual bettors and new customers on ghwo to play the horses....t is one of the sport's greatest downfalls IMO.....

BTW, Red Rocks cost me about anywhere from $2,800 - $4,000 in my Pick 3s

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

OPINION :

–noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.


...you have your opinions and you come to a conclusion on them as they are the right beliefes in your mind....mine are the right beliefs in my mind, thus I am always right to me....there is no fact here, Andy

Joel, I think we all know the definition of " opinion ". However, there are different kinds of opinions. Some are personal preference ( Food, music, literature, art, etc ) and some are predictive ( " in my opinion such-and-such horse will win Saturday ) and these kind are proven right or wrong over time. Surely you know this and can differentiate between which kind of opinions we are discussing here.

[Cajungator26]

Dude, my head is spinning... I need something domestic, light and cold.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Joel, I think we all know the definition of " opinion ". However, there are different kinds of opinions. Some are personal preference ( Food, music, literature, art, etc ) and some are predictive ( " in my opinion such-and-such horse will win Saturday ) and these kind are proven right or wrong over time. Surely you know this and can differentiate between which kind of opinions we are discussing here.

So you are saying that my opinion of Bernie being one of the more talented horses in the last 15-20 years was somehow proved otherwise by fact?....I don't think so, not after one race where he didn't fire big and never had a chance to run at the peak of his career......

Remember, most of the all-time greats lost races - Does that make them not great IN YOUR OPINION?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

So you are saying that my opinion of Bernie being one of the more talented horses in the last 15-20 years was somehow proved otherwise by fact?....I don't think so, not after one race where he didn't fire big and never had a chance to run at the peak of his career......

Remember, most of the all-time greats lost races - Does that make them not great IN YOUR OPINION?

I think you are determined to not admit you were wrong IN ANY WAY. What you really should do is temper your specific enthusiam to a realistic level. Bernardini is a fine horse, most likely one of the best hundred or so in the time period you mention. But, his performances on the racetrack completely belie your opinion of him. Saying something is so does not make it so. A horse has only his performances to speak for him.

I have always thought Bernardini was a nice horse. I also thought highly of Invasor and was far from surprised at Saturday's result. They were two evenly matched horses who would probably split decisions fairly evenly if they met a number of times. But, make no mistake, neither has done anything on the track to place them in any kind of elite group.

Horses who were absolutely better? Off the top of my head....Ghostzapper, Holy Bull, Skip Away, Formal Gold, Candy Ride, Tiznow, Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, probably Cigar, AP Indy, Dubai Millenium. But the list of comparable horses is endless...Point Given, Medaglia D'Oro, maybe even Saint Liam, Smarty Jones, Silver Charm, Touch Gold, Lido Palace, Street Cry, Left Bank, Congaree, Will's Way...I'm sure you get the drift.

You feel some sort of connection to Bernardini, which is great, but that doesn't alter his resume. What he is/was is another in a long line of nice horses who has a reasonable resume of success.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Dude, my head is spinning... I need something domestic, light and cold.

No way my friend. Buy American when it comes to things like cars.

Buy foreign when it comes to light and cold things that are simultaneously refreshing.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think you are determined to not admit you were wrong IN ANY WAY. What you really should do is temper your specific enthusiam to a realistic level. Bernardini is a fine horse, most likely one of the best hundred or so in the time period you mention. But, his performances on the racetrack completely belie your opinion of him. Saying something is so does not make it so. A horse has only his performances to speak for him.

I have always thought Bernardini was a nice horse. I also thought highly of Invasor and was far from surprised at Saturday's result. They were two evenly matched horses who would probably split decisions fairly evenly if they met a number of times. But, make no mistake, neither has done anything on the track to place them in any kind of elite group.

Horses who were absolutely better? Off the top of my head....Ghostzapper, Holy Bull, Skip Away, Formal Gold, Candy Ride, Tiznow, Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, probably Cigar, AP Indy, Dubai Millenium. But the list of comparable horses is endless...Point Given, Medaglia D'Oro, maybe even Saint Liam, Smarty Jones, Silver Charm, Touch Gold, Lido Palace, Street Cry, Left Bank, Congaree, Will's Way...I'm sure you get the drift.

You feel some sort of connection to Bernardini, which is great, but that doesn't alter his resume. What he is/was is another in a long line of nice horses who has a reasonable resume of success.

Invasor accomplished far more "on the track" than Ghostzapper and St Liam. If you are looking at track results only (no sheets etc etc) Then Invasor has been better than those two I mentioned.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

No way my friend. Buy American when it comes to things like cars.

Buy foreign when it comes to light and cold things that are simultaneously refreshing.

Light and cold---that describes most American women--ha ha ha.