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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by todko

Tell me that there is no arrogance here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192007...y_kerrison.htm

Yeah, Borel says Curlin, "hasn't stepped up to the plate." And Nafzger says, "it's going to be a fun race."

Curlin stepped up to the plate and I wonder how much fun Nafzger is having today. With their attitude they deserved what they got.

Tell me there is no ignorance in pretty much all your posts....










and I'm guessing that you will soon get what you deserve too!!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He "motored" by?

Motored is the same thing as struggled by apparently ... by a hair.

this race could have so easily gone to Street Sense. So now Curlin is apparently much better.

[Cannon Shell]

Maybe he thinks he would have won by 9 if he had a better jockey

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe he thinks he would have won by 9 if he had a better jockey

To think that Curlin would have won the Derby with a different jock is preposterous jargon at best.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

To think that Curlin would have won the Derby with a different jock is preposterous jargon at best.

consider the source

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

consider the source

Source considering, he must have been Tony SOprano's payote connect in Vegas to make such outlandish statements. The connections played it perfectly. They know the gem that they have, good for them.

Borel's future with this horse was never in doubt. WIth a few more questionable decisions, do they (nafzger and owners) go elsewhere? My thought would be NO, but who knows in this game. Thoughts?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Source considering, he must have been Tony SOprano's payote connect in Vegas to make such outlandish statements. The connections played it perfectly. They know the gem that they have, good for them.

Borel's future with this horse was never in doubt. WIth a few more questionable decisions, do they (nafzger and owners) go elsewhere? My thought would be NO, but who knows in this game. Thoughts?

what questionable decisions are you refering too?

[sumitas]

Pino's the jock that needs to go. he moved much too soon in the Preakness.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

what questionable decisions are you refering too?

After numerous replays, I still haven't seen any " let up" on Borail's part. It seems as if others have a different take on it. I've talked to people who wouldnt know their poo shoot from a hole in the ground, so their opinions were taken with a grain of salt. On the way home from the shore today, sports talk radio had a few "horsemen" who disagreed with Borel's peeking over his shoulder midstretch. I didn't see it as a problem, but given the margin of victory, every move will be heavily scrutinized. In summation, it was not a viewpoint that I shared, but for players and non players alike to have noticed it, I think its mention worthy. Your take?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

After numerous replays, I still haven't seen any " let up" on Borail's part. It seems as if others have a different take on it. I've talked to people who wouldnt know their poo shoot from a hole in the ground, so their opinions were taken with a grain of salt. On the way home from the shore today, sports talk radio had a few "horsemen" who disagreed with Borel's peeking over his shoulder midstretch. I didn't see it as a problem, but given the margin of victory, every move will be heavily scrutinized. In summation, it was not a viewpoint that I shared, but for players and non players alike to have noticed it, I think its mention worthy. Your take?

Not only is it a non issue but there is zero % chance that Calvin will be replaced. The horse got tired in the last 1/16th. It is as simple as that.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

consider the source

The only way I think Curlin could have won the Derby, is if Street Sense had drifted in a little sooner and a little sharper, and dropped Hard Spun or Pino.

Thus, a victory by DQ.

While it's very true that Curlin might have had an 8 length more difficult trip than Street Sense in the Derby....I have very strong doubts another rider would have made too much of a difference.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not only is it a non issue but there is zero % chance that Calvin will be replaced. The horse got tired in the last 1/16th. It is as simple as that.

People try to read too deep into things. Like you said, to make issues where there are none.

If they raced all of the triple crown races at the same track and the Preakness was at CD, does the outcome change if and when Borail takes his horse inside and scrapes paint? Excuse me for the left field question, my buddy that is here with me wants to know ... In other words, is SS a by-product of Churchill Downs "golden rail"??

[blackthroatedwind]

Nobody is actually suggesting that Street Sense likes dirt better at Churchill than he does at Pimlico.....are they?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nobody is actually suggesting that Street Sense likes dirt better at Churchill than he does at Pimlico.....are they?

No, but while teaching my friend on how to read a program, the novice that he is picked up on SS's CD record and that of other tracks. I just replayed most of his races for him to disprove some statements that he bought into today. We are from Philly so they handfeed us some tidbits on Hard Spun, and this week Pino was talking of a possible advantage with this race being in PIM instead of CD. I tried to steer him from trainer/jock speak to no avail. Larry Jones was hoping for a slight regression from SS because of the track change, and my buddy wanted to know the deal with that..Simple as that.. I didnt want to get too deep into it with him tonite, but I pointed out some things to look for when we head to B-More next week for a trip to the aquarium and PIM. Aren't there suggestions as to the sharpness of the turns being quite different?

Originally Posted by King Glorious

So saying he hung today is a bad opinion when most other people on here are saying the same thing and even his own jockey is saying it? U may or may not care about things I have to say on other subjects but what does that have to do with whether this opinion is right or wrong?

Maybe Street Sense has a bad case of hubris. He thinks he has the race won, stops being competitive and lollygags to the finish line. I think it's seasoning is all. He was born in February, was hoping he would be more mature, but I guess some bad habits take more than 9 tries to break.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by bigred06091973

Maybe Street Sense has a bad case of hubris. He thinks he has the race won, stops being competitive and lollygags to the finish line. I think it's seasoning is all. He was born in February, was hoping he would be more mature, but I guess some bad habits take more than 9 tries to break.

You're killing me!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

No, but while teaching my friend on how to read a program, the novice that he is picked up on SS's CD record and that of other tracks. I just replayed most of his races for him to disprove some statements that he bought into today. We are from Philly so they handfeed us some tidbits on Hard Spun, and this week Pino was talking of a possible advantage with this race being in PIM instead of CD. I tried to steer him from trainer/jock speak to no avail. Larry Jones was hoping for a slight regression from SS because of the track change, and my buddy wanted to know the deal with that..Simple as that.. I didnt want to get too deep into it with him tonite, but I pointed out some things to look for when we head to B-More next week for a trip to the aquarium and PIM. Aren't there suggestions as to the sharpness of the turns being quite different?

I think the suggestions about Pimlico being significantly different than Churchill are pretty incorrect. But, I am not one to get too caught up in horses preferring one track to another, for better or worse. Belmont, however, is a very different track than most, but that's pretty obvious. However, what makes it different also makes it fairer.

The funny thing about Belmont is that while many tracks seem to get souped up for big days Belmont sometimes seems to get a dead rail....like BC day in 2001. Of course, in the old days, Belmont's rail was almost always dead.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think the suggestions about Pimlico being significantly different than Churchill are pretty incorrect. But, I am not one to get too caught up in horses preferring one track to another, for better or worse. Belmont, however, is a very different track than most, but that's pretty obvious. However, what makes it different also makes it fairer.

The funny thing about Belmont is that while many tracks seem to get souped up for big days Belmont sometimes seems to get a dead rail....like BC day in 2001. Of course, in the old days, Belmont's rail was almost always dead.

Is there a specific reason for that? The dead rail that is.. or is it just the layout of the track?

[blackthroatedwind]

I really have no idea. The old " balcony Belmont " has been pretty much gone for years.

One factor is the sweeping turns mitigate ground loss and thus exagerate the natural outside flow of racing.

[MisterB]

That was a fast race, and the best so far this year.